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Bigamy? Faked death? Amazing coincidence? Something else?
« on: Sunday 16 February 25 18:24 GMT (UK) »
I could do with some help solving a mystery, as my head is spinning from thinking about this so I’d really welcome other perspectives. This is a long one, with some disturbing possibilities (TW for possible sexual assault). Our mystery starts with Charles Eden, a packer from Liverpool...

Based on the certainty of the place and date of his son George’s birth in Liverpool in 1878 I found George's mother’s maiden name was Bell. George’s marriage certificate gives his father’s name and profession as Charles Eden, a packer. Further research leads to marriage records for Charles Eden and Mary Ann Bell in Liverpool in 1867. Charles’ father is named as William Eden, a carver. So far so good.

At this point Ancestry gives me a hint that Charles’ mother might be a Charlotte Sandle, and sure enough there’s a marriage record for William Eden, a carver and gilder, to Charlotte Sandle, in 1841. William’s father is named as Christopher Eden, a carver.

This is where things start getting murky.

In the 1841 census Christopher Eden, a carver and gilder, is living with his wife Maria and several children, including William, aged 15 and born in Liverpool, implying that his birth was in 1826, which is backed up by baptism records from November 1826.

Ancestry suggests a hint for the 1851 census for Charlotte and Charles, with Charlotte listed as a 30-year-old widow, and Charles aged 4, implying a birth date of 1847. Also on the census are several other children, including 16-year-old Thomas. If this is to be believed it would suggest that Charlotte was around 14 when she gave birth to him, and William around 9, which would be both physically improbable and quite disturbing.

Assuming that this Charlotte is the right one though I looked for William’s death certificate, and sure enough there’s one for William Eden, a 24-year-old carver and gilder, in 1847, and whose father Christopher had been present at his death. That would move his year of birth to 1823, which makes things a bit less icky as that would imply William was around 12 at the time of Thomas's birth.

Wanting some more answers I looked up Thomas Eden and found a marriage record from 1875 for a 30-year-old Thomas Christopher Eden, whose deceased father was William Eden, a carver and gilder, putting Thomas’s year of birth at 1845, which would make things considerably less icky. One could be forgiven for assuming at this point that the census taker or enumerator in 1851 made a mistake and recorded Thomas’s age as 16 not 6.

Things get very murky though when we look at the 1851 census, where we find a 6yo Thomas Christopher Eden living with his father, a 43yo William Eden in Liverpool, a carver and gilder born in Wigan (so year of birth in c.1818) who is married to Eliza (née McGregor). Looking at the 1844 marriage certificate for William and Eliza reveals a deceased father for William: Thomas, a cooper. This family was also living together in 1861. Apart from those two census entries there is no record I can find of a William Eden having been born in or around Wigan around 1818.

If you’re still with me I have a couple of thoughts of what might be going on, but neither is entirely satisfactory.

The first is that William might have been a bigamist and lying to Eliza about his age and background. Both Williams got married within a few years of each other, and have families with several children of about the same age. But if that were to be the case then what about the death certificate for William son of Christopher in 1847? I'd considered a faked death, but this hypothesis falls down because a) the death was certified, and b) William would still have been trading as a carver and gilder in Liverpool, which if he’d faked your own death would have been a bit brazen.

Or maybe there really were two William Edens working as carvers and gilders in Liverpool at the same time, one born in Wigan in 1818 and the other in Liverpool five (or eight) years later. If so that would be an amazing coincidence, but that means we really would are left with the situation where a 12yo (or 9yo!) William and 14yo Charlotte get pregnant in 1834/5, before they were married in 1841, although here there is also another disturbing possibility that this William isn't Charlotte's son Thomas's real father, and that Charlotte had been raped when she was 14.

Or maybe there’s another explanation. I’m open to suggestions.

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Re: Bigamy? Faked death? Amazing coincidence? Something else?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 16 February 25 22:19 GMT (UK) »
welcome to Rootschat.

Just a thought, there is another child John (aged 10) on 1851 census also named as a son, born 1840/42.  As the next child Charlotte was born in 1st quarter of 1842, it seems likely that John was born before the marriage in 1841, is he the child of William and Charlotte? Is he the brother of Thomas? and does his birth provide any clue. There doesn't seem to be a matching birth for a John Eden or Sandle.
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Re: Bigamy? Faked death? Amazing coincidence? Something else?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 16 February 25 23:04 GMT (UK) »
I don't think there is reason to assume Thomas is the son of Charlotte. 'Son' can just as easily mean stepson, adopted son or foster son. Had William been married before?

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Re: Bigamy? Faked death? Amazing coincidence? Something else?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 16 February 25 23:19 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat.
With regard to son John, there is a marriage in 1862
John Sandle, full age, Labourer, Circus Street - father John Sandle, umbrella maker.
Sarah Williamson, Circus Street - father John Williamson, porter
Witnesses - Charlotte Eden and ? Barrand

Whilst this might not ‘prove’ that John Sandle was his father, it might indicate that William was not.

*1851, Charlotte was an umbrella maker. She also gave John Sandle as her father but he was a stone mason.

Another thing to note is that 1841 census was 6th June and William and Charlotte married 7th June.
Have you found Charlotte in 1841?
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Re: Bigamy? Faked death? Amazing coincidence? Something else?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 17 February 25 03:31 GMT (UK) »
In the 1841 census Christopher Eden, a carver and gilder, is living with his wife Maria and several children, including William, aged 15 and born in Liverpool, implying that his birth was in 1826, which is backed up by baptism records from November 1826.

Everyone over 15 was supposed to have their ages rounded down in 1841.  William and Jane could have each been aged anywhere between 15 and 19 and as far as I can see there is no indication of how old each of them was when baptised.

Wanting some more answers I looked up Thomas Eden and found a marriage record from 1875 for a 30-year-old Thomas Christopher Eden, whose deceased father was William Eden, a carver and gilder, putting Thomas’s year of birth at 1845.

Perhaps one of these birth registrations is incorrect and should be 'Thomas' instead of William.

EDEN, WILLIAM
Mother's maiden surname: SANDELL     
GRO Reference: 1844  M Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 20  Page 456

EDEN, WILLIAM
Mother's maiden surname: SUNDELL     
GRO Reference: 1846  M Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 20  Page 493

....and that Charlotte had been raped when she was 14.

That is a really bizarre conclusion to arrive at.

Debra  :)



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« Reply #5 on: Monday 17 February 25 08:54 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat.
With regard to son John, there is a marriage in 1862
John Sandle, full age, Labourer, Circus Street - father John Sandle, umbrella maker.
Sarah Wilkiamson, Circys Street x father John Williamson, porter
Witnesses - Charlotte Eden and ? Barrand

Whilst this might not ‘prove’ that John Sandle was his father, it might indicate that William was not.

*1851, Charlotte was an umbrella maker. She also gave John Sandle as her father but he was a stone mason.

Another thing to note is that 1841 census was 6th June and William and Charlotte married 7th June.
Have you found Charlotte in 1841?

I've found that marriage record now, thanks for the tip. I'm going to suggest John Sandle is the same person because the witnesses to the marriage were Charles Barrand and Charlotte Eden, Charlotte Sandle's niece and her future husband, so I'm thinking the John Sandle who married Sarah Williamson was Charlotte Sandle's brother, and their father had a career change in the 21 years between Charlotte's and John's weddings.

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Re: Bigamy? Faked death? Amazing coincidence? Something else?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 17 February 25 08:56 GMT (UK) »
welcome to Rootschat.

Just a thought, there is another child John (aged 10) on 1851 census also named as a son, born 1840/42.  As the next child Charlotte was born in 1st quarter of 1842, it seems likely that John was born before the marriage in 1841, is he the child of William and Charlotte? Is he the brother of Thomas? and does his birth provide any clue. There doesn't seem to be a matching birth for a John Eden or Sandle.

I've found a couple of people in that tree where the birth doesn't seem to have been registered and they weren't baptised, so if John wasn't either then that doesn't surprise me.

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« Reply #7 on: Monday 17 February 25 08:58 GMT (UK) »
Had William been married before?

Given he was only about 18 when he married Charlotte I doubt it.

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« Reply #8 on: Monday 17 February 25 09:04 GMT (UK) »
In the 1841 census Christopher Eden, a carver and gilder, is living with his wife Maria and several children, including William, aged 15 and born in Liverpool, implying that his birth was in 1826, which is backed up by baptism records from November 1826.

Everyone over 15 was supposed to have their ages rounded down in 1841.  William and Jane could have each been aged anywhere between 15 and 19 and as far as I can see there is no indication of how old each of them was when baptised.

I confess I didn't know about the rounding down thing. How odd.

Wanting some more answers I looked up Thomas Eden and found a marriage record from 1875 for a 30-year-old Thomas Christopher Eden, whose deceased father was William Eden, a carver and gilder, putting Thomas’s year of birth at 1845.

Perhaps one of these birth registrations is incorrect and should be 'Thomas' instead of William.

EDEN, WILLIAM
Mother's maiden surname: SANDELL     
GRO Reference: 1844  M Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 20  Page 456

EDEN, WILLIAM
Mother's maiden surname: SUNDELL     
GRO Reference: 1846  M Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 20  Page 493

The William in 1844 is definitely William, but I don't think the 1846 one would be Thomas as it would be too late.
 
....and that Charlotte had been raped when she was 14.

That is a really bizarre conclusion to arrive at.

Debra  :)

I did say my head was spinning, and apparently it lept to a wild conclusion. It made sense in my head yesterday XD