Stolen Identity or Record Not Yet Located?

[mckha489]

Where is everyone in 1891?

Added…and 1881?

[mckha489]

This has been entirely unravelled by the fact that a UK birth certificate for Paul Edmund does not exist. I've searched for every time a 'Paul Edmund' appeared in a census record, and it does appear that in the earliest one (1901) he was boarding in a boy's home with Auguste's brother Edmund (listed as Edward) who had the unique middle name of 'Stiebel'. Paul Edmund randomly claims this middle name in the next census (1911) where he also starts claiming to be from Walsall (spelt 'Warsaw') in Birmingham instead of from Chelsea, London as he did in the 1901 census.

There is a 1919 shipping manifest on Family Search for Edward S Vargues.  Address in England is his brother P.E. Vargues, Uplands, Coventry

So cannot have ‘taken his identity’

[mckha489]

There is an Edward STIEBEL around at the right time. I think he has money.
In 1881 is unmarried, a retired West India merchant
Married by the 1891 but no children

[ljb1125]

This has been entirely unravelled by the fact that a UK birth certificate for Paul Edmund does not exist. I've searched for every time a 'Paul Edmund' appeared in a census record, and it does appear that in the earliest one (1901) he was boarding in a boy's home with Auguste's brother Edmund (listed as Edward) who had the unique middle name of 'Stiebel'. Paul Edmund randomly claims this middle name in the next census (1911) where he also starts claiming to be from Walsall (spelt 'Warsaw') in Birmingham instead of from Chelsea, London as he did in the 1901 census.

There is a 1919 shipping manifest on Family Search for Edward S Vargues.  Address in England is his brother P.E. Vargues, Uplands, Coventry

So cannot have ‘taken his identity’

I'm not suggesting he has taken the identity of Edmund/Edward, I'm suggesting he's taken the identity of Auguste (who was deceased in 1882). Just odd that he randomly claimed Edmund's middle name in one of the censuses.

[CaroleW]

See reply 8

[jorose]

Here I think is the family in 1881:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q273-F5PJ?lang=en

Paul senior died 1 April 1902, Neuilly-sur-Seine, according to his England & Wales probate, which also mentions Helene Elizabeth Marguerite Vargues, spinster.

https://archives.hauts-de-seine.fr/ark:/74903/vtaa00b62b1778770a2/img:FRAD092_EC_2MIEC344_0378_P
His French death record, information given by his daughter Georgine Anne Vargues, mentions only his late wife Jeanne Mathilde Debacker.

https://earchives.le64.fr/archives-en-ligne/ark:/81221/r26448zrk65w3k/f865
 - birth of a child Alice Suzan in Pau in 1879, specifically names her as illegitimate but recognised by her father.

table of succession and declaration (related to his estate in France), also only mentions first wife.
https://archives.hauts-de-seine.fr/ark:/74903/vta1128ea726f89a397/img:FRAD092_3Q_NEU_030_0189_C
https://archives.hauts-de-seine.fr/ark:/74903/vtabf82e6025fbce118/img:FRAD092_3Q_NEU_114_0043

[ljb1125]

Paul Edmond Vargues Adkins b Sept qtr 1884 Walsall 6b 741 see freebmd  and also

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

No mothers maiden name so illegitimate

You can download a digital copy of his birth cert for £1.50

Thank you for this! How odd that he's the only one out of the siblings who didn't get Vargues as a surname (and the mother's surname is Adkin, not Adkins, wonder why that's different on the register...!). Technically all were illegitimate as Paul Edmond Sr and Susan never married. Wonder why he got singled out.

[ljb1125]

Here I think is the family in 1881:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q273-F5PJ?lang=en

Paul senior died 1 April 1902, Neuilly-sur-Seine, according to his England & Wales probate, which also mentions Helene Elizabeth Marguerite Vargues, spinster.

https://archives.hauts-de-seine.fr/ark:/74903/vtaa00b62b1778770a2/img:FRAD092_EC_2MIEC344_0378_P
His French death record, information given by his daughter Georgine Anne Vargues, mentions only his late wife Jeanne Mathilde Debacker.

https://earchives.le64.fr/archives-en-ligne/ark:/81221/r26448zrk65w3k/f865
 - birth of a child Alice Suzan in Pau in 1879, specifically names her as illegitimate but recognised by her father.

table of succession and declaration (related to his estate in France), also only mentions first wife.
https://archives.hauts-de-seine.fr/ark:/74903/vta1128ea726f89a397/img:FRAD092_3Q_NEU_030_0189_C
https://archives.hauts-de-seine.fr/ark:/74903/vtabf82e6025fbce118/img:FRAD092_3Q_NEU_114_0043

Thank you so much for this, the 1881 census and confirmation of Alice's birth in particular were great resources!

[Ayashi]

Paul Edmond Vargues Adkins b Sept qtr 1884 Walsall 6b 741 see freebmd  and also

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

No mothers maiden name so illegitimate

You can download a digital copy of his birth cert for £1.50

Thank you for this! How odd that he's the only one out of the siblings who didn't get Vargues as a surname (and the mother's surname is Adkin, not Adkins, wonder why that's different on the register...!). Technically all were illegitimate as Paul Edmond Sr and Susan never married. Wonder why he got singled out.

Maybe it depended on who registered the birth. Birth certificates at that time didn't have a separate box for surname of the baby, only the forename(s). Thus, if a married couple registered the birth, the birth would be under that surname. If an unmarried mother registered the birth, the birth would be under her surname at the time. Some unmarried mothers did register births pretending they were married to the father. It may be that when he was registered, only his mother was able to attend the registration and she may have admitted to not being married to the father, who couldn't then be named without his consent.