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Offline Eric Hatfield

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Re: Navan?
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 16 February 25 01:31 GMT (UK) »
Thanks everyone for your interest.

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There are two registrations that might fit :

Dec quarter 1845  V 27 P 337
Mar quarter 1846  V 27 P 371

Both record Mother's name as Griffith.
I have found one of these, and another similar. But they both name fathers with surname Griffith, suggesting that Jane was married and Griffith was her married name.

I suppose that her father could have been listed if no other father was named??

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Navan is in Southern Ireland

Yes, but John Jones says he was from North Wales, so I have to work out what he meant by "Navan". So far it seems people here think that he meant Nefyn.

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This baptism fits a lot of the criteria mentioned.
Yes, that was my idea for a while, especially as Hugh was a farmer as stated by John. But I found out that Jane was Jane Williams, not Griffith. It is possible to follow this family through the censuses, etc, because of the distinctive house name of Pontycawr (if I've got that right). It was a pity but I had to rule them out.

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Where did he live in Australia? Welsh newspapers can be quite good at reporting on the diaspora
That's an interesting thought. He lived at Anderson's Creek, Diamond Creek, and mainly in Warrandyte, all near Melbourne in Victoria. Do you have a suggestion and/or a source of Welsh newspapers?

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I see we have not had an answer to the original query about whether Na(r)von could be a contraction of Carnarvon. I am not near enough to personally know the area but it doesn't 'feel' right.
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I've not heard of Navan as being short for Caernarvon.  I think we called it Ca'narvun or Car-nar-von or Cair -nar-von. However, I'm originally from Denbighshire.
I'm starting to feel that the Nefyn explanation is more likely than the Carnarvon abbreviation explanation. Thanks.

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Re: Navan?
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 20 February 25 14:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi

I live some 20 miles from Caernarfon and in my 60+ years have never heard it shortened to Narfon (?).   I've heard people from the villages around "Dwi mynd i dre" which translates "I'm going to town"  Dre translating into Town - this description is used a lot in this area usually being used to describe the nearest larger town !

I think its Nefyn (Nevin) add a odd accent to the speech and Nevin could easily be heard as Navan in my view.

You can't get much further east of Caernarvonshire - Trefriw is practically on the easterly border and Nefyn is on the North West coast.  Nearly 50 miles away.


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Re: Navan?
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 20 February 25 14:27 GMT (UK) »
I'm glad you agree with me, Nesta.

I think I did some e.gs of pronunciations a few posts back  :)


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Re: Navan?
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 22 February 25 04:01 GMT (UK) »
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I live some 20 miles from Caernarfon and in my 60+ years have never heard it shortened to Narfon (?).   I've heard people from the villages around "Dwi mynd i dre" which translates "I'm going to town"  Dre translating into Town - this description is used a lot in this area usually being used to describe the nearest larger town !
Thanks for this info. The idea came from a friend who was told by a receptionist at a hotel they stayed in in Wales that Navan could be used as an abbreviation for Carnarvon. But I haven't found anyone else who thinhs so.

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I think its Nefyn (Nevin) add a odd accent to the speech and Nevin could easily be heard as Navan in my view.
That seems very likely to me. The trouble is, we can't find the people in question in Nefyn, so it makes me want to look wider.

Thanks for your input from someone who is familiar with both the area and the language.