Thanks for your assistance, Forfarian and Wayne N.
I’ve done a bit more research, using a couple of somewhat obscure sources, and have come up with a theory that Whinny Know was part of the larger Moneydie property, Greenfield, while Whinny Know was used as a separate name for only a short period of time.
In a list of McGregor baptisms for Moneydie parish (part of a database kindly shared with me some years ago by Dr. Richard McGregor of the Clangregor Society) Whinny Know is mentioned several times, but only in the period 1805-1818.
After that time the same families had further children but no domiciles were mentioned.
Before and during that early 19th century period the property Greenfield had several mentions.
Now, the second obscure source is a list of the McGregors who signed the 1822 declaration supporting the clan chief (also made available by Richard McGregor). While it was supposed to be signed only by able-bodied men, in practice fathers included their sons even if only babies.
In this list there is no mention of a Whinny Know, but some McGregor names in the list, with a domicile of Greenfield, fairly neatly fit with the fathers and their sons baptised at Whinny Know in the 1807-1818 period (plus the non-domicile period after 1818).
There is some precedent for my conjecture: My own ancestor, William (the uncle of James mentioned in my earlier post) had taken his family from Moneydie to Loch Freuchie, Glen Quaich, to a small farm, Kinloch on the southern end of the little loch, next to a larger farm called Achnafauld. William’s son, John (James’s cousin) moved and had his family at the other end of the loch, at Easter Shian farm.
Now, in the McGregor list, Easter Shian and Wester Shian are lumped together:
Duncan;;Shion; (Perthshire??);
John;;Shion; (Perthshire??);
William;;Shion; (Perthshire??);
Alexander;;Shion; (Perthshire??);
John;junior;Shion; (Perthshire??);
William;;Duchfauld; (Perthshire??);
From other resources I know that Duncan actually lived at Wester Shian and was no close relative of the other Shian McGregors. John and his 3 sons lived at Easter Shian (John junior was only born in October 1821). Because the second William was recorded immediately after John junior I have taken him to be John senior’s father, that is, James’s uncle. Duchfauld does not exist; it is an obvious mis-transcription of Achnafauld.
So, I believe that William’s home farm, Kinloch has been lumped together under Achnafauld in the same way that the 2 Shian farms are lumped together. (Also, for the purpose of the list, the use of Achnafauld avoids using the name Kinloch, simply meaning loch end, which could be confused with many other Kinlochs.
Anyway, until I can find something that destroys the theory, I’m thinking that Whinny Know was a part of the larger Greenfield farm, given a separate name for only a small period of time when the population in that part of Moneydie parish was larger, and never getting into maps because of the short period involved.
Found later: a couple of other things that make me think that Whinny Know was a short-lived name lost to a larger property is that:
One: another very small property, Hardhill, where my ancestors lived when they first moved from Buchanty (Fowlis Wester parish) to Moneydie parish in the 1750s, appears in maps from the 18th century right up to the 20th century. And Hardhill also was close to Greenfield, again suggesting that Whinny Know was in that part of the parish.
And, Two: Another small farm, Rosebank (another one I can’t find in maps), was definitely subsumed into Greenfield, in the 1850s:
“The houses of this farmsteading are all in ruins; at present unroofed, it is now included in the farm of Greenfield, The property of the Earl of Mansfield.” [From Scotlands Places: Records Ordnance Survey Name Books Perthshire OS Name Books, 1859-1862 Perthshire volume 58 OS1/25/58/32]
Sorry this has become so longwinded and thanks again for trying to help.
Peter
