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Offline Talacharn

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Re: Can artistic ability from distant ancestors persist to present day descendants?
« Reply #9 on: Friday 14 February 25 11:41 GMT (UK) »
Firstly, I am an artist trained in the science and psychology of painting with a degree in Fine Art and further research. The artistic ‘trait’ is within all of us, but very few develop the knowledge, skills and experience. Some people can find the learning process easier than others, which is often referred to as natural talent, but learning is about commitment and hard work. If you are interested, and follow that interest, you will develop skills in art, through it also applies to sport, even computing, mathematics et al. It is about finding your way through the learning process, and not inherited. I am the first in my lineage to be an artist. As a young child, if you are encouraged to draw and paint (for me it was colouring books), the chances are, you will develop an interest. Children of artistic parents may also be encouraged by watching them, and the availability of materials, tuition etc. For those who say they cannot draw, spend 30 minutes each day drawing different objects in different ways. Within 6 months you will be able to draw.

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Re: Can artistic ability from distant ancestors persist to present day descendants?
« Reply #10 on: Friday 14 February 25 11:46 GMT (UK) »
I think that's a really interesting question.  We know that certain aspects of genes can be turned on or off depending on biological environment, why not circumstance as well?

All four of my grandparents were proficient artists, but only one pursued it as a profession.  My parents had a 'natural' ability to draw things, and I myself went to art college for a year.  Both my children are talented artists, but do not pursue it as careers.  I don't know how far back this apparent artistic ability goes, if at all, as most ancestors were labourers.

I suspect we all have artistic ability within us and it is circumstance that predicts its promotion or not.  Paper, pens, paints, pictures and glue were always available to me as a child, and I made sure they were to my children too, so they became good, practiced artists.  However, I like the idea that where someone becomes highly accomplished and hones their artistic senses on all levels, emotionally, even somatically, then maybe this translates into tiny genetic alterations that can be passed on and recur. 

Thanks for such a lovely question that really made me think!

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Re: Can artistic ability from distant ancestors persist to present day descendants?
« Reply #11 on: Friday 14 February 25 12:17 GMT (UK) »
I am sure it is nearly all nurture.  Since discovering classical music as a teenager I have maintained that interest ever since, but because the only source of music in the house while I grew up was my father's voice, the only instrument I have ever played has been the gramophone, tho I sing with a choral society.  Like learning a language, I think becoming a musician has to begin early, and needs a musical ear to develop fully.  Perhaps the same with visual arts ?
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Re: Can artistic ability from distant ancestors persist to present day descendants?
« Reply #12 on: Friday 14 February 25 12:23 GMT (UK) »
I do firmly believe that abilities in areas like music and Art/Design can persist through families. My mother was a talented and skillful painter of flowers, mainly watercolour, and immediately prior to WW2 she went to Art College. I used to assume that all adults could "see" and draw whatever they wanted, and it was a surprise to me that my first teachers, when I started school, couldn't do this. I'd been brought up to use a range of Art materials confidently, and to see properly as a start to be able to depict. To judge by the pictures I'd done as a child, that my mother kept, this was done very competently from an early age. Apart from genteel drawing and sketching ladies, we've found little more on the maternal side.
My grandfather on the paternal side was a himself talented and able painter of largely architectural subjects, and, as part of a family firm, did large murals in hotels and theatre. I have also found when I started researching family history that a Mr Toplis, of Sark, an artist, amongst relatives on my paternal great grandmother's  ancestry was quite well-known, and many others seem to have been sufficiently talented to be of note. Skilled cabinet makers also featured in my paternal grandfather's relatives and ancestors. My own first degree subject was Graphic Design, and I have a range of design skills used throughout my own working life.
I can agree that the environment  a person is brought up in encourages the development of such skills - but there does have to be some native ability there, no matter how latent.
On the other hand, on both sides of my ancestry there is evidence of a range of musical abilities, from church organists to band and orchestral performers, - but despite slogging through years oif piano lessons, and being a competent choir person at need, quite good at sight reading, I'm the non-musical one, really.
And although my mother was an excellent cook, I've always been hopeless ( no proper sense of smell, my OH says)
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Re: Can artistic ability from distant ancestors persist to present day descendants?
« Reply #13 on: Friday 14 February 25 12:32 GMT (UK) »
I believe that musical ability, artistic ability and many others are inherited, often skipping a generation
or two.
But I would also include many other abilities, engineering, the ability to use tools, practical commonsense and others.

One of my daughters has the ability to pick up any musical instrument and produce a tune, entirely untaught, it can only have come from her paternal grandmother.

So my answer is yes

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Re: Can artistic ability from distant ancestors persist to present day descendants?
« Reply #14 on: Friday 14 February 25 14:56 GMT (UK) »
I think it is a mix of nature and nurture.  When you get back five or six generations, there are so many other gene contributors that the odds would be slim that a specific gene is passed down, but it does happen, but it would be rare.  It also begs the question - how many genes are involved in artistic talent?  I doubt if it is just one gene, so genes from other ancestors must play a part.  They do say musical ability is connected to mathematical talent and I do see this in my former in-laws.
My mother was a published nonfiction writer and I enjoy writing as well, and while I don't have a flair for creative writing, I have a large repertoire of educational resources that almost all include nonfiction texts.  On the other hand, neither of my brothers have ever pursued anything in that field.  Two of my three children are good writers. 
Then of course, that raises the question - do you become a good writer by training and/or by reading a lot?  The latter certainly helps if you have the kind of brain that absorbs sentence structure and grammar.  BTW, I had very little grammar in school, but I usually know what is right or wrong, so in my case, a lot of absorption.

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Re: Can artistic ability from distant ancestors persist to present day descendants?
« Reply #15 on: Friday 14 February 25 15:06 GMT (UK) »
I have several male and female dressmakers/weavers/ropemakers in London who had ascendants who were the same, but I am not sure it was a hereditary skill, but more the fact it was very a common occupation at the time. Not just London but nationwide and worldwide.

As for artists, I feel it is the same, it is a learned thing.
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LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: Can artistic ability from distant ancestors persist to present day descendants?
« Reply #16 on: Friday 14 February 25 16:51 GMT (UK) »
One of my daughters has the ability to pick up any musical instrument and produce a tune, entirely untaught, it can only have come from her paternal grandmother.
Well, perhaps, but not necessarily - surely these aptitudes may just arise accidentally ?  There are plenty of examples of composers who appeared to emerge from a non-musical lineage.
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Re: Can artistic ability from distant ancestors persist to present day descendants?
« Reply #17 on: Friday 14 February 25 18:50 GMT (UK) »
Aristotle famously said, ‘Give me a child till he’s seven, and I will show you the man’. My Godson is now three with no artistic traits in his lineage. When he was two, his mother and grandmother encouraged him to paint, even buying him small, cheap canvases. Because I paint, his first ever canvas was sent to me. For his third birthday last month, I bought him a small table easel. He liked the easel and now always wants to use it when he paints. Once he started to use the easel it made sense, as painting is easier when there is an edge to work up to, so potentially less mess on a table. Rather than bending over, it provides a better position when painting and you can see what has been created. I was told he was concentrating more and thinking about the placement of each mark. He may not become an artist, but ‘artistic vision’ and creativity are useful in many areas. I wish I had the opportunity to paint at two or three, but waited until six before I had a colouring book. Then I was encouraged to draw, but not really supported until I went to art college.