Need help tracing birth Rachel Thomas, or her parents, Llangynwyd, Llangyfelach

[Mabel Bagshawe]

This is a possible for Ann in 1891, in Aberclydach

Thomas William 69, roof thatcher, b Llanon, Carms
Anne William    69    b LLangyfelach

Piece 4469, folio 73, p14

They're sometimes called William rather than Williams. I have them together from 1851 to 1901

She's still alive in 1911, aged 90, living with her daughter in Neatah. Runs in the family!

Anne Thomas, full age
Father    John Thomas, labourer
Residence    Coedcae'r Gros

Thomas Williams, full age    Farm Servant
Father    Henry Williams, labourer
Residence    Penfidin (?)

Marriage    2 Aug 1845    Llangyfelach

First Witness    David Morris
Second Witness    John Rees

[Mabel Bagshawe]

A possible for Hannah? This is 1871 - Dyffryn Cottages, Llangynywyd Higher. Hannah Thomas is on the next page

David Jones  44  b Llanedi  Collier
Hannah Jones  48  b Llangyfelach
John Jones   19 
Daniel Jones 16
Gwilym Jones  14
Llewellyn Jones    2    
David Jones  6
   
1881 they're in Michaelstone Lower (Cwmavon) and 1891 Pontrhydyfen

[Mabel Bagshawe]

think I have John Thomas's burial - 28 Jan 1870, although not quite 26 years previous, and the age is out as it says 78 (ie b c1792). The address however is Dyffryn Cottages, Coegnan,t which fits 1871 very nicely

The burial register is on Ancestry

[shawnfbrown]

I found the same burial record for John Thomas on Findmypast,

p. 96
Llangynwyd Parish
Glamorgan
John Thomas, age 78, 28 Jan 1870 burial date
I can't read the abode, but it looks like what you found on Ancestry, Dyfrryn Cottages, Coegnant. 

Can you double check the cursive for me?

Do you know where Coegnant is in this parish?

Also, i'm wondering what the notations are underneath John Thomas' name in the burial record?

A. 7/2, Vid. Ant: 716A. 

Do these indicate location of the plot/grave?

do you have suggestion for how i can locate his burial place-which church/cemetery?

Thank you!

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Coegnant is top end of the Llynfi valley. The name is associated with an area between Nantyfyllon and Caerau (there was once a Coegnant Colliery)

The register is helpfully very detailed with grave numbers, sizes, whether it's in the old or new yard etc.

If it is your John, according to the report of Hannah's death he was buried in Llangynywd churchyard - which fits the references to old and new yard as there's an extension over the lane from the church.

Apparently it's the largest private burial ground in Europe?

[shawnfbrown]

Hello, still trying to understand details of John Thomas' burial.  The burial register merely says burials in the parish, not necessarily a burial in the Anglican church, Parish church St. Cynwyd's.
 
there is an inference from the news article from 1894 re: his widow Hannah Thomas stating he was buried in Llangynwyd Church near Maestag. 

I haven't been able to get more information on burial details for either John or Hannah yet from Glamorgan archives. 

The news article about Hannah Thomas talks about her joining the independents at an early age and keeping her faith to the end.  Maybe there was no burial ground associated with whatever independent church/chapel she or they belonged to?
if it is Parish Church St Cynwyd's Llangynwyd, is there a burial plan for cemetery for use when i visit the churchyard?  Or how to find it?
Thanks for any help you can give.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

My understanding is the burial register you've seen is parish records (ie maintained by the church). As far as I am aware the church had one mainburial gruond at the parish church, which was extended prior to John's death (as the records refer to burial in the new yard)

I wouldn't be surprised  if the burials were in the parish churchyard as many chapels didn't have their own burial grounds. This led to disputes as everyone had the right of burial in their parish churchyard according to civil law but the Church’s policy was often to allow only their own clergy to conduct the service and only for those baptized as Anglicans.  The legislation that allowed Ministers of  other denominations to perform ceremonies in Church burial grounds was passed in 1880, so after John was buried by a vicar

Not sure if there's a plan, but the current parish area has a contact us page https://www.llynfiafan.co.uk/contact-us

[shawnfbrown]

Thank you that is helpful.

Can you explain what you saw in the notation for John Thomas' burial that points to the new burial yard?

[Mabel Bagshawe]

I didn't mean his was in the new yard, just that many of the entries in the same register refer to it