1806 marriage Joseph BANNISTER/Catharine HOLDEN at St Matthew, Walsall

[ciderdrinker]

Hello
I can't see the marriage either but if these are the couple in Tutbury taking their children to the Nonconformist chapel  I think you have the right marriage.
Joseph 25.10.1806 Gt Barr,William 7.5.1809 Hanbury,David 8.5.1814 ,Job 8.10.1816 ,Elizabeth 18.4.1819,Enoch 24.5.1821,Reuban 14.9.1823 and Mary Ann 13.10.1825.
The 1851 and 1861 censuses give births Joseph Marchington 1784 and Catherine Lullington Derbyshire 1785.

There are christenings for the couple.

Joseph Bannister 10.10.1784 Marchington s of Joseph and Ann
Catherine Holden 14.5.1785 d of Joseph and Elizabeth at Lullington (not on FindMyPast)

The Holdens seem to have come from Walsall and presumably moved back there.
William 2.10.1773 ,Jno Sander 25.9.1776 ,Joseph 23.9.1779 and Jane 28.9.1782 are all christened at Walsall  and there is a marriage.
Joseph Holden and Elizabeth Bott 14.6.1771.
Catherine the only one baptised in Lullington.

Does that help ?

Ciderdrinker

[ValJJJ]

Hi
They are film numbers for Bishops Transcripts for Walsall St Matthew
https://www.familysearch.org/en/search/catalog/327443

The marriage as indexed on FamilySearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N214-KXZ

If you look under document information it says the source is MF 421612 (so from the BT). You can't see these at home.
In any case, the  BTs for 1806 may not have the full info from the PRs, especially the marriages.

I am not sure that FamilySearch have filmed the St Matthew parish registers. In fact they may not be online anywhere, they don't seem to be on findmypast?
So the FreeReg transcript may be the best source we have online for the marriage info.

Thanks for that insight.  I will contact FamilySearch to see if they have filmed them. I'll also contact the Staffordshire archives offices (the last time I went to Stafford to look at parish registers, I went to the William Salt library but think it's all changed now).  It might mean a trip to Stoke or Stafford to see the microfilms as it's a short train journey, or pay the research fee for a copy.

[ValJJJ]

Hello
I can't see the marriage either but if these are the couple in Tutbury taking their children to the Nonconformist chapel  I think you have the right marriage.
Joseph 25.10.1806 Gt Barr,William 7.5.1809 Hanbury,David 8.5.1814 ,Job 8.10.1816 ,Elizabeth 18.4.1819,Enoch 24.5.1821,Reuban 14.9.1823 and Mary Ann 13.10.1825.
The 1851 and 1861 censuses give births Joseph Marchington 1784 and Catherine Lullington Derbyshire 1785.

There are christenings for the couple.

Joseph Bannister 10.10.1784 Marchington s of Joseph and Ann
Catherine Holden 14.5.1785 d of Joseph and Elizabeth at Lullington (not on FindMyPast)

The Holdens seem to have come from Walsall and presumably moved back there.
William 2.10.1773 ,Jno Sander 25.9.1776 ,Joseph 23.9.1779 and Jane 28.9.1782 are all christened at Walsall  and there is a marriage.
Joseph Holden and Elizabeth Bott 14.6.1771.
Catherine the only one baptised in Lullington.

Does that help ?

Ciderdrinker

Yes that does help a lot, thanks so much.  I did have the census info, and all the children at Tutbury, which is why the Walsall marriage puzzled me.  Should have looked harder at the Holden family.

I have a Joseph Holden m Elizabeth Mason in Lullington on 6 Feb 1784 (subject of another thread https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=889258.0)

[ValJJJ]

Joseph and Elizabeth - such a common combination of names. 

21 Oct 1731 in Walton on Trent, a Joseph Holden married Elizabeth Leedham of Coton in the parish of Lullington.

Possibly not the parents of these children, but maybe grandparents?
Lullington parish records
1764 bap Mary dau of Joseph/Elizabeth Holden buried 1766
1765. Dec 22 bap Ann
1773 Mar 29 bap Joseph
1776 Aug 21 bap Frances
1778 bap William
1782 Nov 3 bap John buried 1782

1784 a Joseph Holden m Elizabeth Mason.  Was Joseph a widower?

1785 Catherine (who married in 1806 to Joseph Bannister in Walsall)

[MartinJ1952]

Re Parish Registers for St Matthew's Walsall, the last time I checked the Registers were still with the church, there is a microfilm version of the registers, but the images are not of high quality with some entries impossible to read, much to my annoyance as a number of my ancestors were baptised, married or buried there.

After a small fire at St Matthews, as well as a couple of break ins I did suggest to Staffordshire Archives and Heritage that it might be good idea if they tried to persuade the incumbent minister to deposit them at Stafford given the historic nature of the registers they hold. I am unsure whether this happened as the registers don't appear in the online catalogue, however both Stafford and Walsall Archives have the registers on microfilm with the caveat of poor quality stated above.

[ValJJJ]

That's extremely useful, thanks for that.  I'll contact the church to see where the registers are now.

ADD: I did contact the archives at Stafford who said they held the registers, but I didn't think to ask whether they were the originals or the microfilm.  Once the church replies, I'll contact Stafford again to see if the microfilm they have is legible. at least for the entry that I want.

[ValJJJ]

MartinJ1952

Fast response from the church:
"Thank you for your enquiry about old parish registers. All our historic material has been transferred to the Staffordshire Records Office."

Hope you can complete your research now.