The Baptism Of Joseph William Pennington, born in 1867 at Stockport

[RobinRedBreast]

Hello there,

If someone has access to the parish records of St Mary's, Stockport or transcriptions for around 1867, could they please look to see if one of my 2x greats was baptised then at this church? I would be very grateful. Thank you.                                                                                                                                  Joseph William Pennington was born on the 3rd of July 1867, at 6, Park Street, Stockport, the son of Samuel and his wife Maria. I believe this is very close to St Mary's. His sister Elizabeth Griffiths Pennington was born in 1870 at Stockport. I have never been able to find baptisms for either of them. In the 1871 census, they were at 8, St Petersgate.

I have also not had any success in trying to find the burial record of Joseph's father Samuel, and was wandering if this may be because he was buried at St Mary's. Samuel died at 16, Todd Street, Stockport, on the 11th of November 1919.

Any information will be gratefully accepted. 

Thank you very much.

[CaroleW]

Not all children were baptised.  Also - baptisms could take place many months - & in some case years - after a birth.

Nothing on FS or Ancestry. 

[RobinRedBreast]

Not all children were baptised.  Also - baptisms could take place many months - & in some case years - after a birth.

Nothing on FS or Ancestry.

Thank you.

Yes, I have tried Family Search, FreeReg, Ancestry, and Find My Past too, and found nothing also. But I did a bit of looking into the parish registers of St Mary's Stockport, and think I have found out that a lot of those registers have not been indexed, and are not online. (Which I find strange because I'm sure years ago looking on family search, I saw the original parish register images for certain years. But anyway). So my thinking from this is that if that is the case, then that would explain why the record cannot be found online. I also do realise that baptisms could take place months or years after the person was born, and that not all children were baptised. But on balance I think there is at least a very good chance that he was baptised, and is more likely than he wasn't.

Thank you.

[Pennines]

Well - as you know the St Mary's records are definitely on Ancestry - but looking through the register there seems to be only 3 baptisms in July 1867. Strange.

In addition I can't find him later - there is a Joseph, son of Samuel and Mary baptised in Warrington - but that Samuel was a Police Officer.

Regarding Samuel's burial - have you checked with the local cemetery please? Also - have you found Maria's burial? He may just be buried with her.

I have looked on Deceased on Line - but he doesn't come up.

[amondg]

Maria Henshaw may have been Non Conformist, so the registers may not be on line.

They had a lot more children.
Joseph William 1867 reg. Stockport
Elizabeth 1869  died 1869   reg. Stockport
Elizabeth Griffith 1870  reg. Stockport
Thomas 1873   reg. Whitehaven
Frederick 1875 reg. Whitehaven
Charles 1878 reg. Whitehaven
Mary 1881 reg. Salford
Sam 1883 reg. Nottingham died 18 October 1883 age 5 months.

With mother's maiden name Henshaw.
 

[amondg]

Look at FindAGrave 

Maria was buried 8 October 1884 Christ Church, Heaton Norris Lancashire of TB

[RobinRedBreast]

Hello,

Thank you for looking.
So it seems that the registers of St Mary's are on Ancestry (I no longer subscribe to Ancestry myself). I tried to find the original images on family search, but as of yet have had no luck.

Samuel's wife Maria "daughter of William Henshaw" was buried at Christchurch Heaton Norris, on the 8th of October 1884. If Samuel was buried in the same grave as Maria, then his name wasn't inscribed on the monument. -

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/222185681/maria-pennington

I haven't checked with the local cemetery.

Thank you. 

[RobinRedBreast]

Well - as you know the St Mary's records are definitely on Ancestry - but looking through the register there seems to be only 3 baptisms in July 1867. Strange.

In addition I can't find him later - there is a Joseph, son of Samuel and Mary baptised in Warrington - but that Samuel was a Police Officer.

Regarding Samuel's burial - have you checked with the local cemetery please? Also - have you found Maria's burial? He may just be buried with her.

I have looked on Deceased on Line - but he doesn't come up.

Thank you.

I have repiled to you below.

[RobinRedBreast]

Maria Henshaw may have been Non Conformist, so the registers may not be on line.

They had a lot more children.
Joseph William 1867 reg. Stockport
Elizabeth 1869  died 1869   reg. Stockport
Elizabeth Griffith 1870  reg. Stockport
Thomas 1873   reg. Whitehaven
Frederick 1875 reg. Whitehaven
Charles 1878 reg. Whitehaven
Mary 1881 reg. Salford
Sam 1883 reg. Nottingham died 18 October 1883 age 5 months.

With mother's maiden name Henshaw.

Thank you.
I have all of this information regarding Joseph's siblings EXCEPT the birth registration of a Thomas registered in 1873 at Whitehaven. That Thomas might have died before the 1881 census, because I can't find him in Salford with his parents at that time. Joseph's father Samuel was in the Glass and China trade. He must have moved to Whitehaven between 1871 after the census, and before that birth in 1873.
By the 1881 census, he was living in Salford.
I did manage to find the baptism of Mary Pennington in 1881 at St. Clement, Ordsall-In-Salford, Lancashire, on the 15th of March 1882. -
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J7GV-9SQ?lang=en
Was that a Non-Conformist baptism? Thanks.

The mother Maria was baptised at Tiviot Dale Wesleyan Chapel. -
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/222185681/maria_pennington

Much obliged.