Looking for Edward Rogers

[heywood]

You have worked very hard jon with these records - and thanks to  Ladyhawk too. It looks very promising.
The death record of Sarah Rogers looks to be essential in this case.
Well done.

Added
Looks to be the same Sarah Rogers - Cheshire BMD shows subdistrict Woodchurch - as 1851

[jonwarrn]

Hi heywood
I've seen the burial of Sarah in Smethcott, 15 Feb 1850, age 69. It gives a specific place as abode (attached), not sure what it is, or whether it helps. I don't think it's a different parish, because the register is noting that on some of the other burials.
But if Sarah in Oxton in 1851 is the mother, her place of birth being wrong is going to be a bit of a nuisance for anyone researching this family.

I see from The eGGSA Passenger project that a Robert Rogers of Durban also stood surety for Thomas Rogers and family, who arrived 7 March 1859 on the Priscilla
Could they also be connected?

Also, this Thomas is not the brother of Edward and the others from Smethcott.

You have worked very hard jon with these records - and thanks to  Ladyhawk too.

Thank you. I've got one last thing to post! A quick one about Thomas, the right one this time, I hope. It could provide a reasonably good link between the Smethcott Rogers family and South Africa.

[Karytay]

There is another two records that I can order from the Pretoria archives.
Both dealing with judicial separation of Edward and Sarah.
Do you think these records are worth getting, will they have useful information on them?   

[heywood]

Hi heywood
I've seen the burial of Sarah in Smethcott, 15 Feb 1850, age 69. It gives a specific place as abode (attached), not sure what it is, or whether it helps. I don't think it's a different parish, because the register is noting that on some of the other burials.
But if Sarah in Oxton in 1851 is the mother, her place of birth being wrong is going to be a bit of a nuisance for anyone researching this family.


Thank you. I've got one last thing to post! A quick one about Thomas, the right one this time, I hope. It could provide a reasonably good link between the Smethcott Rogers family and South Africa.

Jon,
There is a William in 1851 - a gardener and his place of birth looks to be Beachest/Beachcot.
Betchcott - “ It lies in the parish of Smethcott, in the northern foothills of the Long Mynd. The nearest town is Church Stretton. ” - Wikipedia
So, it is the right area.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG6X-3JR?lang=en

I hope it doesn’t complicate all your hard work.

[jonwarrn]

Hi heywood
Thanks, it's a great help that you have identified the place.

With this info, and the very good free indexes on findmypast, I find that in 1841 if I use Beachcott as a keyword or street name for Church Stretton RD, it brings up 32 results, all in Smethcott.
There are three Rogers listed, another William and Ann, plus John!
On FS
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQRK-BVF

Then in 1851, now using Betchcott as a keyword or hamlet name, it brings up William and Ann Rogers again, and also a younger William.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG6D-KFK

I guess it doesn't really help us with the Sarah death in 1850, so I am going with Sarah in Oxton for now!

[jonwarrn]

There is another two records that I can order from the Pretoria archives.
Both dealing with judicial separation of Edward and Sarah.
Do you think these records are worth getting, will they have useful information on them?

Well, to be honest I don't know.
From a family history point of view, they would be something you would want to see or get hold of at some point, if it wasn't too expensive.
But, based on such records in England & Wales, and what we can see of South African records generally, I wouldn't have thought there would be anything about Edward's origins in them. But who knows?

[jonwarrn]

Have you gone off the Smethcott idea?
With the youngest son Thomas, baptised at Smethcott, 12 February 1832, there is a good indication that he went to South Africa.
Last seen in the 1851 census in Liverpool, when he was 19, and a Plasterer.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG16-RYK

Then a marriage in Rhuddlan, Flintshire, 11 July 1853 (image is on ancestry)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KCT4-NJ4

Thomas Rogers, 21, Bachelor, Plasterer, father Richard Rogers, Smith
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Mary Sumner, 21, Spinster, father Samuel Sumner, Gentleman's Servant
Residence for both Rhyl

Three births
Samuel John, Sep 1854, St. Asaph
Sarah Ann, Sep 1856, St. Asaph
and
ROGERS, ROBERT       
Mother's Maiden Surname: SUMNER 
GRO Reference: 1858  D Quarter in WIRRAL  Volume 08A  Page 371

Looks like Robert was baptised at St. Peter, Pietermaritzburg, Natal, 16 December 1860
Born 25 September 1858
Parents Thomas & Mary
Father a Plaisterer
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9TWY-F18

And baptised again there, along with a sister Elizabeth Jane, 10 September 1862!
This time giving date of birth as 25 Sep 1859

Anyway, there are more children, and then a death of Thomas Rogers in Pietermaritzburg, 8 May 1869.
Age 37, Plasterer. Died of apoplexy.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C91Q-QSY5-F

[Karytay]

I have to send all this info that all of you have found to my cousin and see what he makes of it.

[jonwarrn]

Got a baptism for Sarah Ann Rogers in Birkenhead, 18 October 1857.
Thomas a Plasterer.
Can't read the exact place of abode in Birkenhead.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DBG9-DH7

Didn't realise, Oxton is so close to Birkenhead, must be virtually a suburb today.