Looking for Edward Rogers

[jonwarrn]

Double baptism at Dudley, 19 November 1854.
Ann Eliza, born 29 October 1852
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5817c30ae93790eca3d4122b

Hannah Elizabeth, born 26 October 1854
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5817c30ae93790eca3d4125a

Parents Edward + Sarah Rogers
Abode Tipton
Father a Stock Taker

[Karytay]

Yes, jonwarrn, have all the children's baptism, thanks, there were ten children, 4 were born in England and the rest in South Africa.

I was rather disappointed that the couple did not name their children after their parents.
I thought that it was a common practice then. But they were one of the odd couples. So it makes it harder to find the names of the grandparents.
Not one son was named Richard, there was a son named Alfred Edward, for the wife Sarah's father was Edward but then he could have been named after his father. 

Thought Ann Eliza was Sarah's mother's name, but her mother's name turned out to be Susanna. No girl has that name.
Then I thought Hannah Elizabeth was Edward's mother's name, wrong again.

[jonwarrn]

His father was a Blacksmith as well as his wife's father.
Witnesses were Joseph Stokes and Eliza Bewley

It turns out that the marriage is on ancestry.
2 February 1852, Ribbesford
Nice image, terrible transcription.
Edward Boger + Sarah Corlett

If only we could pin down Edward in the 1851 census.

[Karytay]

Yes, that was what I was hoping for. But have not found anything. He would be about 28 years old, so he probably would be out on his own. The 1841 census he would about 18, also not at home.

I have told a cousin, that he will have to go to England to find out more about Edward Rogers. Go and hunt down the elusive Edward.

Thanks for trying to help jonwarrn

[jonwarrn]

Hi
We haven't given up yet!

From your earlier thread, which seems to have been a help with Sarah's family

Edward Rogers came arrived in Durban, South Africa on the 24 May 1859 on the ship "Lady of the Lake" 2nd Voyage.  A Robert Rogers was his surety.

Sarah Rogers nee Corbett arrived in the Durban, South Africa on the 17 June 1861 on board the ship "Barbadoes" with her were her three children and Thomas Corbett.  Sureties for the family were Edward Rogers and Robert Rogers.

So it looks it's possible that Robert was a relation of Edward, maybe a brother?
I see from The eGGSA Passenger project that a Robert Rogers of Durban also stood surety for Thomas Rogers and family, who arrived 7 March 1859 on the Priscilla
Thomas Rogers 30
Elizabeth Rogers 25
Thomas Rogers 4
John Rogers 1

Could they also be connected?
Because of the commonness of those names I can't really get a lead on them in England.

Will also look and see if I can find anything for Robert Rogers. Maybe they were related.

Did you get anywhere with Robert?

[jonwarrn]

it says on the marriage record that Edward Rogers was born in Yorkshire.

So Edward's second marriage was 1 November 1887, in Pretoria.
On FamilySearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSVZ-5SJW-C

It certainly says born England Yorkshire!
Is there any chance it could be wrong?

[jonwarrn]

We're on a Yorkshire board, but if we were to ignore that wonderful county (all three Ridings!) just to see what else there might be...

Smethcott in Shropshire. It's about 40 miles from Ribbesford.
There we have baptisms to Richard and Sarah Rogers. Richard was a Blacksmith.

John, baptised 11 August 1811
(though no occupation is given for Richard, this became standard in 1813)
William, 2 July 1815
Ann, 13 March 1818

3 February 1822
Edward
son of Richard + Sarah Rogers
Abode Glebe ?? Smethcott
Father a Blacksmith

2 May 1824
Robert
son of Richard + Sarah Rogers
Abode Smethcott
Father a Blacksmith

Eliza, baptised  17 October 1826
Richard, 22 February 1829
Thomas, 12 February 1832

Richard and Sarah are in Smethcott in 1841. With them are John, Richard junior, and Thomas.
But not Edward and Robert. There are no burials for them in Smethcott, so it seems they didn't die in infancy.
Hard to be sure if they are around anywhere in 1841, because of the lack of personal detail in that census.
I can't see either of them in the 1851 census.
The youngest, Thomas Rogers, 19, born Smethcott, could be in Liverpool. Not sure that he can be found after that.
If they were stilll alive, what happened to them?

Richard the blacksmith appears to have died in 1842, and Sarah probably died in 1850.
Anyway, this famiy might perhaps be worth bearing in mind, at least, if only to eliminate them.

[Karytay]

(Did you get anywhere with Robert?)

No I could not find anything for Robert. I looked for earlier passengers lists but they only start from 1858 upwards. So if Robert came to South Africa earlier, maybe he came vie Cape Town

Edward born in Yorkshire, could be wrong. I thought he was born in Shropshire at first. I saw the one in Shropshire and really considered a contender for Edward. Now that you have brought it up, I wonder if it is him?

Something else interesting, on Sarah's emigration application Edward's name and it looks like Richard  Rogers of Pietermaritburg  are there as sureties.

[Karytay]

Looking at the emigration records for Natal again, I see Richard Rogers stood surety for several people starting in the year 1839. He was a Blacksmith by trade.

Robert Rogers stood surety from 1851, he was a overseer for the company Smith and ?
both lived in Pietermaritzburg