Michael Ward/ Mary Ann Dougherty

[NorthernGeezer]

Your right about ages being out, I've found Michaels death record,  died 3 September 1913 listed as age 55 where the census records suggest he should be listed as 63 

[heywood]

That death of Peter Ward gives his address as 5 Bread Street and his occupation as a labourer.
It seems right as the informant is Michael whose address fits for that time.

This site has street guides. https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/BSD1901.htm
There are two Bread Streets - one off Newtownards Road and one off Derby Street.
In 1890, 5 Bread Street (Derby St) has Peter Ward, belt sewer.
He is there in 1880 and 1877.

Here is a death for Alice Ward, 41 yrs, wife of a Shoemaker. Her residence - 5 Bread Street.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1890/06108/4743565.pdf
The informant - a cousin, E McAnulty.
It’s a bit of a puzzle. Shoemaker and belt maker could be the same kind of occupation but then he is also a labourer on his death and Michael’s marriage.

[Kiltaglassan]

If you look at the death certificate and the birth certificate I posted, the address is 17 - it is not his age.

Apologies Heywood, I should have read the second line 

In Column 9, it says-

Michael Ward
Son
In Attendance
17 Annadale Street

See image below-

[NorthernGeezer]

Peters death certificate shows his place of death as the workhouse...............sad times eh.
Thanks for that and the info on Alice.
As an aside, how do you find out all this info Heywood yet I seem to struggle??, I've only been at this a couple of years and learned a lot in that time but there seems to be people on here, and other genealogy sites, who seem to tap in to evidence a lot easier than I do.
I'm a member of a genealogy club in Manchester and we have a go-to guy there who you can nearly guarantee if you cant find it, he can, this club however concentrates on Lancashire only so if you get hints outside the area he hasn't got the time to assist but will point you in the right direction, the Wards and the Doughty's being a case in point.

[heywood]

Sometimes it is just trawling through records - as in the case of that Alice Ward.

[NorthernGeezer]

Just a thought, If Alice ward was 41 in 1890 she would have been born in 1849 so couldn't be the mother of Michael.

[heywood]

That’s what i thought but ages again!
Perhaps there was a brother to Michael who was a beltmaker or shoemaker.

[heywood]

What do you think of this?
Marriage 1874
Peter Ward, widower, Belt Sewer, and Alice Kelly/Smith widow
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1874/11250/8126039.pdf

[heywood]

Parish record of that marriage - Peter’s parents Simon (rather than Simeon on civil record)  and Catherine
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633200?locale=en#page/8/mode/1up