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Any Ship Broker records?
« on: Sunday 02 February 25 01:01 GMT (UK) »
In 1880, William Forty Stephens was a Ship Broker, living in Pimlico.

Are there any records available for Ship Brokers which would help to provide more information about him?

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Re: Any Ship Broker records?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 02 February 25 02:36 GMT (UK) »
I can see the baptism in December 1880 of William Charles Stephens. Address 67 Milton Street,  occupation of William Forty Stephens Ship Chandler.
And William Charles Is with Elen uncle & aunt at that address in 1881

Is the relevant birth William Charles ELEN , MMN ELEN

What does that certificate say about the father?

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Re: Any Ship Broker records?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 02 February 25 02:54 GMT (UK) »
Re Brokers

https://www.ics.org.uk/about-us/history

But he might have just worked at a chandlers.

As he doesn’t seem to appear anywhere else, I can’t help wondering if Stephens is not his surname.

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Re: Any Ship Broker records?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 02 February 25 03:05 GMT (UK) »
April 14 1878 2 baptisms

Amy Rosina dau of Rosina Elen,  born  25 December 1873 abode 25 Sussex street (no father on this bapt)
And
Alice Marion dau of William & Rosina FORTY a Ship Chandler  Tredegar square, Bow. Born 17 Dec 1877

Things are definitely fluid!
Alice Marion’s birth reg is as ELEN, no MMN.

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Re: Any Ship Broker records?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 02 February 25 08:54 GMT (UK) »
Straying from the original question
Rosina Elen was the daughter of Charles Elen and Mary Sabina nee Agness married 26 May 1844 St James Westminster.

Other children are
Charles 1844  - with his grandparents 1851 and married Louise Winmill 1879 (aka Frances Louise) who William Charles Stephens is with 1881 census.
William Bennet Elen 1845
Agnes Sabina 1847
Mary Emily 1849
Edwin Charles 1850
Rosina 1852 **** has children with William Forty
Alice Mary 1856
Harry Leonard 1861
Mary Julia 1863 

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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 02 February 25 09:09 GMT (UK) »
Rosina Elen married Christopher George Sloper 25 December 1880 St James Paddington

Her bother Harry Elen and mother Mary Sabina Elen  are witnesses.

He was 23 she said she was 24 she was actually 28.

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Re: Any Ship Broker records?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 03 February 25 12:41 GMT (UK) »
Good Morning
If we go with William Forty  of Bow  from Alice's baptism then we have a marriage 4.11.1885 St Saviours Brixton
William Forty 38  bach engineer Campbell Road Bow  Edward Gentleman
Louisa Barnett 32 spinster 6 Grosvenor Villas Brixton  Henry Newton dec ? weaver

1891 137 Balham Grove West Ham
William Forty 42 engineers clerk  Shatton Audley Oxford
Louisa 38 Stepney
Rosetta Pepper 19 servant Romford.

No sign of him 1871 and 1881 and before that he is with his parents Edward and Jane.

Rosina had a nother daughter
Edith Mary Elen 12.4.1879 bapt 14.7.1879 St Peter Eton Square

So it seems the couple had 4 children
Amy Rosina 1873,Alice Marian 1877 ,Edith Mary 1879 and William Charles 1880.

It seems strange William Forty was a bachelor at 38 and if he was why didn't he and Rosina get married ,unless I have the wrong chap.

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