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Re: Looking for a fresh pair of eyes on finding info about my great grandfather
« Reply #72 on: Saturday 01 February 25 20:30 GMT (UK) »
From “British staff of the Chinese Maritime Customs 1854-1949”
J. Twigg-Balmer appointed Nov 1913 as Watcher
Resigned Oct 1914 in Lappa as 3rd class Tidewaiter

1914 Image 80
https://digital.soas.ac.uk/AA00001364/00032/80?search=twigg

1914 Image 239
https://digital.soas.ac.uk/AA00001364/00032/239?search=twigg

Amazing to see those images!

I just saw this which is interesting. Scroll down for his name -  also confirming his desertion.
https://robertbickers.net/books/getting-stuck-in-for-shanghai/the-suwa-maru-contingent/

Really fascinating.
I think the incoming passenger list for the Suwa Maru to London in 1914 is on ancestry.
Is he in their index as Mr T Balmer, age 25?



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Re: Looking for a fresh pair of eyes on finding info about my great grandfather
« Reply #73 on: Saturday 01 February 25 20:41 GMT (UK) »

Name   Mr T Balmer
Arrival Age   25
Birth Date   abt 1889
Port of Departure   Yokohama, Japan
Arrival Date   15 Dec 1914
Port of Arrival   London, England
Ports of Voyage   Kobe; Nagasaki; Shanghai; Hong Kong; Singapore; Penang; Colombo; Port Said
Ship Name   Suwa Maru
Shipping Line   Nippon Yusen Kaisha
Official Number   17308

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Re: Looking for a fresh pair of eyes on finding info about my great grandfather
« Reply #74 on: Saturday 01 February 25 20:43 GMT (UK) »
It's another definite sighting for your timeline, deetur!

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Re: Looking for a fresh pair of eyes on finding info about my great grandfather
« Reply #75 on: Saturday 01 February 25 20:46 GMT (UK) »

Name   Mr T Balmer
Arrival Age   25
Birth Date   abt 1889
Port of Departure   Yokohama, Japan
Arrival Date   15 Dec 1914
Port of Arrival   London, England
Ports of Voyage   Kobe; Nagasaki; Shanghai; Hong Kong; Singapore; Penang; Colombo; Port Said
Ship Name   Suwa Maru
Shipping Line   Nippon Yusen Kaisha
Official Number   17308

Looks like he signed up in Aylesbury the day he arrived back in England


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Re: Looking for a fresh pair of eyes on finding info about my great grandfather
« Reply #76 on: Saturday 01 February 25 20:46 GMT (UK) »
It's another definite sighting for your timeline, deetur!

Absolutely 👍🏻

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Re: Looking for a fresh pair of eyes on finding info about my great grandfather
« Reply #77 on: Saturday 01 February 25 20:57 GMT (UK) »
Just found this... It's service papers but with the other military number that I found on it. I can't view the actual documents but from what I can see the only difference/addition (aside of the number) is residence place being Carlisle.

Name Joseph Twigg Balmer
Age 32
Birth Date 1882
Birth Year (Estimated) 1882
Birthplace, Cumberland, England
Residence Place Carlisle,,
Military Regiment
17652
Military Company/Regiment
Yorkshire Regiment
Event Type Military Service
Event Date 1914
Affiliate Publication Number WO 363

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVBG-9L6B

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Re: Looking for a fresh pair of eyes on finding info about my great grandfather
« Reply #78 on: Sunday 02 February 25 00:11 GMT (UK) »
I have already seen that military record that you found on Family Search. It has not been transcribed correctly. It is the same that you see on Ancestry. On the original document the number 17652 has been crossed through and the correct service number is 19182. (Just some clerical slip up at time of attestation). There is no mention of Carlisle. The addresses given are Joseph's at 99 Cannon st, and his brother at 21 Mereman st De Beers, Kimberley.

It does seem that Joseph resigned his post in China at the outbreak of the war and headed 'home' to sign up to fight. Why he then deserted 8 months later is curious.
My other thought is that he may not have been completely truthful about his age when he attested - perhaps wanted to appear either younger / or older than he actually was?

He attested for the 10th Battalion Yorkshire Regiment. The battalion was in Aylesbury training from Nov 1914 to May 1915, and then returned to Halton Park (Buckinghamshire) for a couple of months. Joseph deserted just before the battalion left for Witley camp (Surrey) in preparation for proceeding to France.
A little information here.
https://www.wartimememoriesproject.com/greatwar/allied/battalion.php?pid=6225
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Looking for a fresh pair of eyes on finding info about my great grandfather
« Reply #79 on: Sunday 02 February 25 00:54 GMT (UK) »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Association
Here is some information about the “China Association”. One wonders if there was a family connection which helped Joseph gain a position there?
Their archives are lodged with the School of Oriental and African Studies in London. I wonder if they might have any records for the name Balmer or Twigg.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Looking for a fresh pair of eyes on finding info about my great grandfather
« Reply #80 on: Sunday 02 February 25 01:00 GMT (UK) »
Doesn't offer anything new, but have just found in a list of volunteers who have "come home from China to enlist" Supplied by the Secretary of the China Association (who were at 99 Cannon St).

"Pte. D Twigg-Balmer 10th Yorkshire Regt., Aylesbury, Bucks."

Someone's error of "D" - I'm assuming this is Joseph.
14 May 1915
Publication:  North China Daily News Online

Can't see any other mentions of him in North China Daily News