Help please to find marriage of Charles Woolford

[slewis]

Hi bitzar
 Thank you so much for this information it’s a great help, I’ll see if I can find the other Charles Woolford  death.
   Kind regards Sue

[maddys52]

I’ll see if I can find the other Charles Woolford  death.

There is a Charles Robert WOOLFORD died 23 September 1893 at Tingha.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/113726563?searchTerm=%22%20woolford%22

His death registration:
7411/1893 at Inverell, father Robert (mother unknown).

He died at his daughter's home - Amelia Elizabeth WOOLFORD married William LITCHFIELD in 1864. Another daughter, Louise Victoria married William WRIGHT - a detailed obit for Louise says that she was born in Liverpool, England and her parents (Charles and Maria) came to Australia c1839.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/185885904

Charles Robert WOOLFORD (grocer) married Maria OSBORNE 10 May 1835 at Holy Trinity, Liverpool.

So definitely not yours. 

[bitzar]

There is a Charles Robert WOOLFORD died 23 September 1893 at Tingha.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/113726563?searchTerm=%22%20woolford%22

His death registration:
7411/1893 at Inverell, father Robert (mother unknown).

He died at his daughter's home - Amelia Elizabeth WOOLFORD married William LITCHFIELD in 1864. Another daughter, Louise Victoria married William WRIGHT - a detailed obit for Louise says that she was born in Liverpool, England and her parents (Charles and Maria) came to Australia c1839.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/185885904

Charles Robert WOOLFORD (grocer) married Maria OSBORNE 10 May 1835 at Holy Trinity, Liverpool.

So definitely not yours. 

That Charles Woolford arrived in I think 1838 per Jessie with wife and 2 children.  Children were registered to Charles Robert and Maria after 1839 in NSW.  He was a grocer, but also of George St.

Back to Charles Woolford and Maria.  When Charles was admitted to Tarban Creek in 1846, correspondence was to go to Mr Woolford via Mr Wharton, Brickfield Hill.  Brickfield Hill referred to the area of Sydney between Town Hall and Central Station, so basically George St.  Was Mr Woolford, James Woolford who admitted Charles and was James his son?

bitzar.

[maddys52]

Of possible interest - looking at the City of Sydney Archives Assessment Books:

In 1845 there is a Chas WOOLFORD on Cambridge St (no. 174), also a Charles R WOOLFORD on Cumberland St (no. 327).
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tmn/

So possibly "your" Charles WOOLFORD on Cambridge St before being admitted to Tarban Creek?

[slewis]

Hi and thank you both for the info yes maddys52  I did see that and think the same, I still think the Charles at Tarban Creek is my Charles and he could have had a son James as I did find a birth for a James Woolford parents Charles and Bridget in Hobart and Charles was in Hobart at that time in 1824
 It’s the fact Tarban had him down as a fisherman but he may have done that after he left the army, what do you think ??
Kind regards Sue

[judb]

Bitzar (Reply #17)gave this information:
I did take a few sneaky pics of the records.  Nowhere does it say he was a military man, only a fisherman of George St, Sydney.  He was the husband of Bridget (no MS), father of nine (I have found 6), and admitted by a James Woolford and a Joshua/Joseph Valentine.  He came 'free' but the ship is not known!

Is this record digitised somewhere?  Sorry I might have missed it.

The following information is possibly of no help whatsoever but I had a quick look for the Joshua Valentine mentioned and his death certificate of 1875 gives his occupation as "agent fishmonger" and his address as 70 Harrington St.  Obviously this is 30 years after the death of Charles, but at least gives a slight connection to the occupation of 'fisherman' attributed to Charles.

Judith

[maddys52]

I can't readily find 9 children either, however as I mentioned earlier, it would be interesting to see what occupation is given on the children's birth records - most likely to be baptisms as this is before civil registration. There are a couple in Port Macquarie, where it appears Charles was originally sent as Watch House Keeper. Mary A WOOLFORD is born 1837 and the baptism is back in Sydney at St Mary's (Roman Catholic). Do you have this record?

Or maybe the marriage records of any of his children might say father's occupation - do you have any of these?

[slewis]

Hi maddys52 and Judith
Thank you for getting back to me ive been looking at it all again, most of the information we have found leads me to believe my Charles was the military man born 1794 Yattendon, Berkshire, England

Charles WOOLFORD originally  was a Private   enlisted 16 Sept 1813, into Company  of  the 3rd regiment of foot, then  discharged after the end of the Napoleonic wars … then re enlistedland  and came to NSW with the 3rd Regiment (who relieved the 48th)    so he had re- enlisted for 14 years at Buttevant, Cork, in  Ireland in March 1822. Arrived in Sydney NSW 25 December 1822, with the 3rd Reg, Company 10  to Liverpool NSW 25 September 1823
Hobart VDL  March 1824, Bathurst NSW Sept 1826 to Oct 1827
  in 1827, he transferred into the 39th Regiment when that regiment relieved the 3rd.  Then sent as garrison to Emu Plains NSW March 1828 then Parramatta August 1828 then Port Macquarie September 1828, and discharged with gratuity 30 June 1832. Cox's River NSW March 1826

Bridget was born in Ireland not sure if he met her there or in Australia.

I have 4 children for them
Thomas born 1828 Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Charles W born 1831 Port Macquarie, New South Wales
Joseph born  1833 Port Macquarie, New South Wales
Mary Ann  born 1837  Sydney, New South Wales,

I didnt have a James born 1824 in Hobart I am now guessing he is not one of my Charles, children he must belong to the Charles in Tarban Creek

As you can see I am totally confused LOL
Kind regards Sue

[maddys52]

I think Charles WOOLFORD of the 3rd regiment married Bridget in Ireland. They arrived in Hobart where son James was born 1 November 1824 (his baptism record says his parents were married in Ireland). They then travelled to Bathurst, NSW.

There is a possible child baptised in Kelso, Bathurst:
William WOOLFRED (468/1826 V1826468 10)  Cof E Abercrombie district, Bathurst
William WOOLFRED (7703/1826 V18267703 1C) Cof E  Kelso (a suburb of Bathurst)
Not sure why there are the 2 baptism records.

After transferring to the 39th regiment, if they have more children in Emu Plains and Parramatta, I can't see them easily. Though son Thomas WOODFORD is baptised in 1828 at St Mary's Sydney (RC).

When they are moved to Port Macquarie, Charles leaves the army in 1832 and is appointed Watch House Keeper, where son Charles WALFORD is baptised in 1831 and Joseph WALFORD in 1833.

I'm assuming they move back to Sydney some time after this and have daughter Mary Ann WOOLFORD baptised at St Mary's Sydney in 1837.

(You can see that spelling is very fluid.)

Charles dies in 1846 at Tarban Creek Asylum (Gladesville, Sydney). His wife is Bridget, so I'm pretty sure he is the same man, even though is occupation is now fisherman.

If all these children are correct, it's still only 6, not 9 as on the record bitzar found. However, there are gaps when other children could have been born. 

Of course, this is just speculation unless you see the actual records.