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Re: Two Clayton sisters mystery
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 30 January 25 06:06 GMT (UK) »
Francis/Frank Gibson first wife  must have died between 1920 census and 1926 when he married Mary Elizabeth Prefladish/ Prelatish.

1930 wife is Mary E born New Jersey, parents from Germany. She was also first married at age 17 so
Prefladish/Preflatish is her name from her first marriage and not her maiden name.
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Re: Two Clayton sisters mystery
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 30 January 25 07:36 GMT (UK) »
I don't know what is on a US marriage certificate.
would there be information about his mother?


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Re: Two Clayton sisters mystery
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 30 January 25 07:47 GMT (UK) »
Depends on the State.

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Re: Two Clayton sisters mystery
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 30 January 25 07:47 GMT (UK) »
On one family tree, there is a story that references Mary Elizabeth Fielding Hindle Gibson, Frank Gibson's first wife.  Her granddaughter, Renee Lillian, went to live with her and Renee's father, Thomas Fielding Gibson after he divorced his first wife.  Renee lived with her grandmother from 1933-1935.  On Thomas Fielding Gibson's second marriage record it states that his father is Francis C Gibson and his mother is Mary Elizabeth Fielding.  It seems as if she reverted to her birth surname of Fielding after Francis left her.  Mary Elizabeth's baptism shows the surname Hindle but no father and no father present in her life after her birth.  Her marriage states that her father is John Hindle but there is no record of his ever being in her life after her birth.

A US Social Security claim by Robert Fielding Gibson dated 1968 includes name of father, Francis C Gibson and mother Mary Elizabeth Fielding.  Her death may be recorded under the name of Fielding, some time after 1935?

I was wondering if something tragic had befallen Marion Clayton Gibson, wife of Claude Gibson, after their marriage.  She is not on the 1891 census, she doesn't appear to have lived with him. She was a domestic servant and working class, and he was gentry, so I suspect that he married her (3 years after the birth of their son) to give his son a name but they had a marriage in name only.  Sometimes, family name their children after a brother or sister who they were fond of but who came to a sad end.  Three of Marion's family named their daughters Marion.  Her brother, Henry named his daughter, Linda Marion;  her sister, Elizabeth Ann, named one of her daughters by George Parker, Ada Marion Parker;  her sister, Matilda, named one of her daughters Marion Rosina.

Thank you, everyone, for all of your ideas and tips.   :)


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Re: Two Clayton sisters mystery
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 02 February 25 21:10 GMT (UK) »
Elizabeth Ann remarried in 1904 to John Kettleson

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2CV-LC88

In case it helps, you can see the actual image of the marriage certificate here - https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/8182139

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Re: Two Clayton sisters mystery
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 02 February 25 22:59 GMT (UK) »
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Thank you so much for the link to Elizabeth Ann Clayton's marriage certificate.  After searching for so long, I am very happy to see that she had married again.

Finding information on some of the Clayton women has been challenging whereas the men have been easy to trace. 

Another Clayton that cannot be found is Mary T Clayton, twin of Madie Jane Clayton, twins born to Henry Eugene Clayton and Mary Ann Hughes in Brentford in 1911.  Madie Jane can be found in census records after her birth living with her mother (father Henry left them and sailed off to South Africa where he remained until his death) but Mary T is nowhere to be found.  I have searched death records, marriage and census records but nothing has been found.  She also seems to disappear.

So I now have to try to find Mary T Clayton (1911 - ?)and Marion Martha Clayton Gibson (1862 - ?).

Then I will have found all of the 'missing' Clayton girls.

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Re: Two Clayton sisters mystery
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 02 February 25 23:42 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
Have you any hints or speculations as to what the T may stand for in Mary's name?

Female Relatives, Parents etc on either side who had given names starting with T.?
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Sorry I should have looked at the GRO before I asked.

CLAYTON, MARY  TOYSE mms    HUGHES 
GRO Reference: 1911  D Quarter in BRENTFORD
  Volume 03A  Page 200
 
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Re: Two Clayton sisters mystery
« Reply #25 on: Monday 03 February 25 00:02 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for this information.  Toyse is not a name in our family, I wonder if it is a mistranscribe?  I think that I saw somewhere quite a while ago that the T stood for 'Teresa'.  Is the record that you sent to me a death?  She and her twin, Madie Jane are on the BDM birth record (same record, same date), born August 1911, but after this date, only Madie Jane is on future records. 

I suppose the actual birth certificate would give Mary T's full first names?  I can't find a baptism for the twins either even though all of the Clayton children of every generation have always been baptised.  Another mystery.

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Re: Two Clayton sisters mystery
« Reply #26 on: Monday 03 February 25 00:13 GMT (UK) »