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Re: Two Clayton sisters mystery
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 29 January 25 06:28 GMT (UK) »
  He went to Australia soon after his marriage to visit his brother, in Melbourne.

Hi, I realise that the above detail is also contained in the family history link which I posted above about the family.

However, as always, one must be cautious and thorough before affirming.

Cuzco left England May 11th. So just a few days after the May 6th marriage
The actual ships passenger list record names him as simply Claude Gilbert.
His entry on the list is struck through.  This impairs readability slightly

This link  is helpful in understanding why a name may be struck through on a passenger list.
https://genealogical-musings.blogspot.com/2015/04/names-crossed-off-passenger-list.html

Aged possibly 23. 
Notably, he is recorded as single and his ticket number is 122. Ticket numbers 121 and 123 belong to men
Contracted to land in Capetown with 4 or 5 other men none of whom are crossed through.
Anyhow the whether it is the right man or not, there is no wife on board.

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Re: Two Clayton sisters mystery
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 30 January 25 02:23 GMT (UK) »
Thank you, Sue, for this information.  I always wondered about crossed through entries and having read the information that you sent me via the link, I now know possible reasons.  I will do some more checking on Claude Gibson's whereabouts after his marriage and see if I can confirm that he went to Melbourne or not.  Perhaps Australian entry records might have some clues?  I appreciate your help, thank you so much.

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Re: Two Clayton sisters mystery
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 30 January 25 02:30 GMT (UK) »
Having found Elizabeth Ann Clayton again (one of the Clayton sisters mysteries), I now have to look for Marian Martha/Edith Marion Clayton after her marriage to Claude Gibson in 1881. I have been trying to find her for many years, without success.
 
On another note, I am also looking for actual marriage certificate for their son, Francis Charles Gibson who lived in Accrington and married in Lancashire in 1899, to a Mary Elizabeth (also Elizabeth Mary) Fielding or Hindle (I suspect mother not married but John Hindle, Engineer is on the marriage certificate as her father).  I have seen this marriage certificate many years ago on the internet but I can't find it now, anywhere.  On it Francis (Frank) states that his father is Claudius Gibson, formerly in the military in South Africa, deceased.  Claude was not deceased but fighting in the Boer War at the time of his son's marriage.  Claude was taken prisoner in 1900 and sent to a camp in Ceylon.

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Re: Two Clayton sisters mystery
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 30 January 25 02:53 GMT (UK) »
Hello again, Sue.  I have found the Victorian Inward Passenger List and Claude Gibson is on it, born 1858 (which he was, if the same Claude Gibson) but struck through.  This may mean that he did not disembark in Capetown (where his family had lived previously) but went on to Australia where he had a brother in Melbourne. 


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Re: Two Clayton sisters mystery
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 30 January 25 05:19 GMT (UK) »
   Perhaps Australian entry records might have some clues?  I appreciate your help, thank you so much.
What I have given is Australian Arrival record.

Cuzco leaves Adelaide June 27th 1881
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/5981917
 
Arrives Melb June 30th 1881
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/28381587

Married a couple of months a declares single!
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Re: Two Clayton sisters mystery
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 30 January 25 05:25 GMT (UK) »
The record does not say he was borni in 1858.
The transcription of the record does.
The record shows the strike through line going through his age in years.  Maybe 23, maybe not.
The age is placed in the column headed single. (i.e. marital status).

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Re: Two Clayton sisters mystery
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 30 January 25 05:29 GMT (UK) »
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Frank Gibson and Elizabeth Hindle are on the same page 1899 registered Haslingden

June quarter vol 8e page 298


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Daughter Marion Gibson reg. 1900 Haslingden March quarter 1900 Vol 08E page 135
mother's maiden name Hindle.

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Re: Two Clayton sisters mystery
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 30 January 25 05:48 GMT (UK) »
 
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I had noted that the son named a daughter Marion and it hinted at 2 things for me.
One Marion was the name she used and two, relationships between mother and son were friendly.

I wonder if Marion simply waited the 7 years of "no contact with spouse" "no knowledge of whereabouts of spouse " and then used that accepted period to be able to remarry.

There are indeed quite a few Marion CLAYTON marriages ::)
Sue
 

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Re: Two Clayton sisters mystery
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 30 January 25 06:01 GMT (UK) »
Definitely a possibility.