Holland,Hughes,Davis

[cathayb]

I am looking for jessie Holland a male Romany.born between 1935-1940.died between year 2000 and 2010.Wide berth i know but he managed to miss cencus,birth and marriage certs.He was brought up alot of the time by Priscilla Benham/Holland.He sometimes used the name Davis Holland and i wonder if his mum died young and he used her name as well as his fathers.He travelled along way all the time but spent a lot of time in Somerset.The whole wider family I know had a lot buried in Yeovil Somerset.He married a woman from the midlands with the name Dambrass but as folk had trouble with that she was called Doreen,Her maiden name family came from stevens, Davis, Loveridge and smith. Her mum and dad were called Cornelius Davis and ‘ nenny’ stevens/ Loveridge. So Jesse may have taken the Davis name from her. Or maybe not, and there is no sign of marriage.Jessie had a number of children the 1st 2 being Shirley and Ditta and then a boy Frank now dead but has a son of the same name.We think the dead frank married in about 1978 but will not say more as there will be living relatives.It is possible his dad was Bill Holland or Henry holland But we have no proof what so ever.

[CaroleW]

The male version is Jesse - female is Jessie

Where does the surname Hughes come from?

How have you arrived at the possible period of his birth & death?  Where did he die?

Given you say there is no documentary evidence re birth & marriage certs - where has all the various info about him come from?

If he died so long ago - his 1939 entry should be open.  Have you looked for it?

There is nothing under either christian name on the GRO index but deaths from 2007 are mainly available from GRO online.  Have you checked?

Where does he fit into your FH? 

[maddys52]

There is a Jesse HOLLAND, 18, and his cousin Michael HOLLAND, 28, "Somerset gypsies" committed for trial for stealing a horse in 1949. A few mentions eg:
Wednesday,  Aug. 24, 1949
Publication: Western Daily Press

[osprey]

there's this possible death reg
Jesse Benham dec qtr 2004 Bath & NE Somerset which gives a dob of 2 March 1924

which appears to match this birth reg
Jesse Benham march qtr 1924 Dorchester vol 5a pg 502 mmn Hughes


 

[cathayb]

This is sadly wrong.Right family tree but this Jesse you mention was a generation before the jesse I am looking for.This jessie you have given me was teannie Hughes son,She had a daughter Priscilla Benham who when she married?(no marriage found)took care of Jesse we think now born about 1930 and possible death near Wisbech in the year 1990's sometime.If I could find Prissie Benham who maybe married Bill Holland ( she had 5 kids with him) pre 1939 I would be able to put it together I think.They travelled far and wide but often in somereset.A very large family group of them.I am thinking Jesse was a Holland but maybe his mum died when he was very young,

[cathayb]

It is said but only hearsay That Bill Holland had a woman before Prissie and thats what makes me think maybe he fell out with the woman or she died but that he and his son jesse lived with Prissie after he lost the 1st woman.But there is no proof.

[Talacharn]

Jesse Holland . Occasional Copy: A
Jan-Mar 1934  . Glossop . Volume 07b . Page 1214   

Added:
Jesse Francis Hollands   
Oct-Dec 1934 . Rochford  Volume 04a  Page 1076

[cathayb]

Where did you find this?apart from ancestry I am not much good at funding things.Can you explain how to get this info?DOES IT give a mothers surname or any other details?

[Talacharn]

I found both on the GRO and after 1925 they do not offer a mmn. FreeBMD offer a mmn, but I could not find either listed on that site. There was no other information, but Occasional Copy: A makes me think they were not married, so there could be a certificate under her name as well. After 1935 the GRO stops listing until much later.

Added: I looked again.
Jesse Holland  mmn Higginbottom . Jan-Mar 1934 . Glossop . 7b . 1214
Jesse F Hollands . mmn Hunt . Oct-Dec 1934. Rochford . 4a . 1076

Added x2: I also looked for Jessie, the female spelling:
Jessie M Holland mmn Swan . Jul-Sep 1930 . Mutford . 4a . 1788 
Jessie E Holland mmn Tyrrell . Apr-Jun 1931. Epsom. 2a . 104
Jessie Holland mmn Wilkinson . Jul-Sep 1933 . Bangor . 11b . 570

There are plenty of Hollands being registered, but those offered are all I could find with different spellings of Jesse and Holland. There is nothing with mmn Benham using a phonetic searches. If her later children were registered with mmn Benham, it would suggest an earlier, different woman as the mother. Could Jesse be a middle name?