Holland,Hughes,Davis

[cathayb]

Maybe registered twice as different areas.They were at that time tent dwelling Romanies.I think the father was William Holland who married another lady and possibly took his son into her care.this whole huge family rarely married but jumped the broom but I think Bill,/William was merely sowing wild oars on this occasion. Higginbottom or Hunt are not common Romany names so wondered if he met a local girl?we have had a lot of trouble with this large family as they avoided census and marriage at every opportunity.We are sure Jesse was a well travelled Romany throughout his life and we know of some kids he had but they do not know their grandparents.He settled later in life with another awkward Romany lady from the midlands called Dambrass with 3 possible surnames and as she grew she was known as Doreen Stevens which we think is her mother's maiden name as her dad or grandad we are not sure as we do not know her dob was a loveridge.Jesse F Holland is most likely right as he had a sin Frank and cousins with 1st name Frank so I think Jesse Frank Holland would be right.

[Dundee]

Jesse Holland  mmn Higginbottom . Jan-Mar 1934 . Glossop . 7b . 1214
Jesse F Hollands . mmn Hunt . Oct-Dec 1934. Rochford . 4a . 1076

These are likely the couples connected to the births.

Marriage Dec 1927

HOLLAND,    Jesse   
HIGGINBOTTAM,  Florence
Glossop    7b   2125

Marriage Sep 1920

HOLLANDS, Horace W   
HUNT, Daisy L M   
Rochford    4a   1923

Debra 

[cathayb]

None of them could read or right so it was only the register or enumrrator writing what heard.I doubt the mother had a birth cert either so she could have given any surname she like.wow just seen latest post!A marriage Almost unheard of in this family and as we thought he had half siblings maybe he had full older siblings.This is well worth working on

[cathayb]

So that gives me 2 choices of who my Jesse might be.Horace is a name that runs in the family and if his middle name is known as William shortened to Bill was maybe known by the name Bill so as not to mix up with other by the name Horace.Nothing certain yet so I going on the 1939 census and see what turns up

[cathayb]

Unfortunately neither of the two are the Jesse I am looking for.Apart from looking at their families back into the 1800's there is no sign of them being Romany Gypsies.In 1939 they are both unnamed but still with their families.There is is just a slight chance it could be Daisy's son born 1935 but it looks as if he has not died yet.The families mentioned did not travel far either.Occupation of one father was a train driver.Thats daisy's family.
The Higginbottom family are a slight possibility as one lady was a cooper.And the father was a cooper occ. but theey did not travel far either.They are all easily accessable on Ancestry aswell which doe not bode well with this family

[Talacharn]

I have looked on the 1939 Register and there is no Jesse Holland listed born 1934 +/-5 years. Until evidence is found, we have to assume he is still alive, therefore he cannot be discussed on Rootschat.

Added: If born between 1930 and 1940 at the time of the 1939 Register he would be 9 years old or younger, so should be with parents. I have looked through the deaths registered on the GRO and FreeBMD from 1934-2023. There is nothing with a 1930-40 birth date. The closest being; Death: Jesse Holland . born 1921 . Q1/1993 . Stoke on Trent (7371a) Reg A52f  . Entry Number 87

Having found nothing, it would seem he is still alive.

[cathayb]

My husband born 1851 remembers meeting him and 3 if his children in 1956.2 girls and a boy.If the youngest child was born to him in 1951 and he was 20 himself that would make him born 1931 which corresponds to the newspaper him being 18 in 1949?I do know he was not with his Birth family for long but with a priscilla Holland who was with Bill Holland.She is not found in 1839 either but we were close to her up until her death and know that her mother was Teannie Hughes who had a son Jesse who is not this one.Teannies son was properly a cousin.A Michael Holland was definitely his cousin and was born 1921.I realise his birthdate must be around the early 1930'S now because of the age if his children in 1956.

[cathayb]

He is definitely dead as is his wife and they are buried somewhere near Wisbech.

[Talacharn]

I have searched again. The closest death that corresponds to a birth of 1931 is the 1921 birth in Stoke on Trent.

As he died in the Wisbech area, this death might be of interest.
Jesse Holland . born 1910 . age 98 
Death:  Q4/2008 In Kings Lynn  (6371a)  Reg 1a006  Entry Number 33
Could this Jesse be his father?