Meeting House Green Ballyclare-location/burials ??

[joy.e]

* Original Title has been amended to Meeting House GREEN *

I’ve been asked by a friend to help find information on a family from Ballyclare.
I’ve found a newspaper obituary online (dated 1911) which states there is a family burial ground in “Meeting House Square” in Ballyclare. Does anyone know where I can find records for this burial ground ?
Many thanks.

[Colinm]

"Meeting House Square" Sounds like a Quaker or Moravian location.  I'm not aware of either in Ballyclare.  It possibly could be The Old Presbyterian which is very close to the "Town Square"
https://www.nspresbyterian.org/churches/presbytery-of-bangor/ballyclare-old-presbyterian-church.html
There was another Meeting House a long time ago at the intersection of the Green Road and Ballynure Road which was a funeral home until it was recently demolished.
What is the name of the person in the 1911 obituary?

[Jon_ni]

or Methodist Meeting House. Several Presbyterian. Ballyclare Old (Non-Subscribing) Presbyterian off Main Street had a graveyard as marked 1902 OS maps on PRONI but is concreted over now. There may not have ever been records.

Ballyclare Cemetery is on Findagrave and https://discovereverafter.com/cemetery/651
Try above or as Colin suggests name of person and name & date of newspaper.

[joy.e]

In the Belfast Newsletter, dated 9.3.1911 the death notice for James Hunter Johnson states that he died at his residence in Ballyclare on March 7th & that he was to be interred in the family
burying ground, at Meeting House Green, Ballyclare. ( GREEN not Square as in my original post 🤦🏼‍♀️)
My friend is actually trying to find the date of death of William Johnson ( James father) who was deceased at the time of James marriage to his (second) wife Mary on 20 Dec 1868. I was hoping the “family burying ground” might provide some additional answers.

[aghadowey]

Probate of the Will of James Hunter Johnston late of Ballyclare County Antrim Leather Merchant who died 7 March 1911 granted at Belfast to Robert Harper Johnston Commercial Traveller. Effects £256 0s. 9d.

Johnson Robert Harper of 67 Circular Road Strandtown Belfast commercial traveller died 31 July 1951 at the City Hospital Belfast Administration Belfast 2 October to Rosemary Higgins married woman. Effects £149 5s.

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballyclare_Urban/Main_Street/109478/
Widow Mary Ann Johnson (age 70) & family (including Robert Harper Johnson) listed as Non-Subscribing Presbyterians.
Same religion in 1901- https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Ballyclare/Ballyclare_Town/917966/

Jan.1900 a Robert H. Johnson secretary of Old Presbyterian (Non-Subscribing Church), Ballyclare.

Widow Mary Ann died 7 Dec.1915 and also buried Meetinghouse Green, Ballyclare according to death notice.

Added-
https://www.nspresbyterian.org/churches/presbytery-of-bangor/ballyclare-old-presbyterian-church.html

https://www.google.com/maps/@54.751472,-5.9993242,3a,69y,11.44h,99.56t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sjut4YuGlX7pcXCW8WYSw0A!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-9.557005841866399%26panoid%3Djut4YuGlX7pcXCW8WYSw0A%26yaw%3D11.439891550857684!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDEyMi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

[Jon_ni]

PRONI have baptisms and marriage for Ballyclare N.S.P. from 1839 but as expected no burials.
William could have been deceased long before 1868. Just because it does not say dead 1853 does not mean he was alive, they were not requested to specifically include that.

The second marriage was at Old Presbyterian, Ballyclare (Non-subscribing).
The former at First Presbyterian, Ballyeaston (Subscribing).

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1868/11471/8216419.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1853/09441/5420102.pdf

I doubt there would have been be a register for pre-1868 burials maintained and the churchyard no longer exists. PHSI say "as very few Presbyterian churches had or have a graveyard attached, the practice of recording burials was not widespread and the number of registers recording these details are few."

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/irl/ANT/Doagh/OldPresbyterian
If you change the stacked squares to Griffiths can see the graveyard marked then to satellite. It is marked on 2nd edition maps of 1857, 3rd 1902 but not on the 4th edition surveyed 1921-22.

[Colinm]

William Johnston's death will be very difficult to find, especially if prior to 1864 when civil registrations of deaths began in Ireland.
I grew up in the Doagh/Ballyclare area and a Johnston school friend in the 1960s had Hunter relatives.  He told me his Johnston ancestor came as a farm labourer from Scotland and worked at the Four Mile Burn located half way between Doagh and Parkgate villages.  In Griffiths Valuation it's known as Ferguson's Land where Samuel Johnston lived in a cottage and James Hunter had a few nearby acres.  Perhaps William was a brother of Samuel from Scotland?
My school friend also had McGladdery relatives...any link, joy.e?

[Jon_ni]

William Johnston's death will be very difficult to find, especially if prior to 1864 when civil registrations of deaths began in Ireland.

And that seems likely as there are no deaths in the Doagh sub-district of Antrim if search GRONI 1864-68.

He was residing Ballyclare, Grange of Doagh Parish on both marriages (Shoemaker/Saddler). Griffiths Valuation was printed 27 Mar 1862 and the only Johnstons recorded in the Parish are John and James, but in Doagh Townland, none in Ballyclare. That James living adjacent to the graveyard which is Church Lane today, south of Doagh Bridge. https://maps.app.goo.gl/jiPbQx6xXehcKnJX6
If he was boarding and not the leaseholder/householder he would not appear though.

[joy.e]

I grew up in the Doagh/Ballyclare area and a Johnston school friend in the 1960s had Hunter relatives.  He told me his Johnston ancestor came as a farm labourer from Scotland and worked at the Four Mile Burn located half way between Doagh and Parkgate villages.  In Griffiths Valuation it's known as Ferguson's Land where Samuel Johnston lived in a cottage and James Hunter had a few nearby acres.  Perhaps William was a brother of Samuel from Scotland?
My school friend also had McGladdery relatives...any link, joy.e?

Thanks for all this… I’ve sent the link to this thread,to the friend I’ve been trying to help find out about William Johnson’s death. If there’s any link to McGladderys I’ll let you know.
Thanks agin 😀