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Re: Hesse family
« Reply #54 on: Sunday 02 February 25 03:34 GMT (UK) »
John Hess Junior was born 16th Jul 1841, and baptized 22 July, in Wexford, the son of John Hess Senior and Joana Cullen.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634138#page/40/mode/1up
This is the John Jess who married Mary Quinn in 1867, when he was 25 years old.
He died in 1899, when he was actually 58 years old, rather than the 48 stated on his death registration.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Hesse family
« Reply #55 on: Sunday 02 February 25 03:47 GMT (UK) »
These are the children I see for John Hess senior and Judith/Judy/Joanna Culen:
- Edward 1835
- Jacob   1838
- John     1841
- William  1844
- Mary      1847

Note that Judith, Judy and Joanna, which appear in the registers, are all equivalent.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Hesse family
« Reply #56 on: Sunday 02 February 25 03:52 GMT (UK) »

So the John Hess who married Judy if Edward was the first child and they married c 1835 I would presume he was born c 1815

However it still does not explain who John Hess died 1870 age 76 birth c1794 was unless i am missing something  hope all this make sense,


 You twice stated you assume a marriage age of 20. That is simply not a good assumption to make. Usual age at marriage was considerably higher.
The John Hess who married Judy/Judith/Johanna Cullen is the John Hess who died in John St. Wexford, 14th September 1870, aged 76, laborer. That is, born ca. 1796.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Hesse family
« Reply #57 on: Sunday 02 February 25 04:01 GMT (UK) »
Going back to my original post we know John Hess married Mary Quinn 1867 it says full age usually reckoning on John being 20 when he married, so is this the John who died in Wexford in 1899 age 48 birth c 1851??
Back a generation to the John Hess & Judy Cullen the first birth Ive found is Edward 1835 others followed and a John born 1841 ?? but who was he ??

Again, assuming a marriage age of 20 is a very poor assumption. One contradicted by his 1867 marriage registration, which says "full age". The John Hess who married Mary Quinn in 1867 is the John Hess junior, born to John Hess senior and Judy Cullen in 1841. He died in Wexford in 1899, aged 58, though his death registration mistakenly stated 48.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area


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Re: Hesse family
« Reply #58 on: Sunday 02 February 25 14:43 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for all your feed back its much appreciated think I might regret having said I would do this tree for a friend much better luck with this family than my own who hailed from Ireland

So we now need to find where John Hesse Snr was born ?? c 1796.

Best Wishes Margie.

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Re: Hesse family
« Reply #59 on: Sunday 02 February 25 15:57 GMT (UK) »
Hate to say this again, but it is a Germanic surname!

https://surnamedb.com/surname/hesse
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Re: Hesse family
« Reply #60 on: Sunday 02 February 25 18:39 GMT (UK) »

So we now need to find where John Hesse Snr was born ?? c 1796.


This has already been addressed (read back) - most probably Old Ross.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Hesse family
« Reply #61 on: Sunday 02 February 25 19:17 GMT (UK) »
Hate to say this again, but it is a Germanic surname!

https://surnamedb.com/surname/hesse

Yes, that is understood. But we have gone beyond that - the family was apparently of Palatine extraction.

As an aside, there is a famous Irish song Iníon an Phailitínigh
Here is a link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEaeBeJUdcU
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Hesse family
« Reply #62 on: Monday 03 February 25 07:41 GMT (UK) »
So sorry - I thought I had followed this thread - but can't recall any 'Palatine' mention (my age related brain shrinkage!)
Places of interest;
Lancashire, West Yorkshire, Southern Ireland, Scotland.