Elizabeth Louisa Jones parents need help please?

[weenie]

Evening all,
so my brick wall needs some more chipping at if you can all be so kind in helping me.

i have posted before and think i need a new thread as i have more updates..
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=823258.msg6864183#msg6864183

(hope the link works)

so I now know that Elizabeth Jones middle name is Louisa - its on the burial record - 1st time ive come across the middle name.
Elizabeth Jones b 1830 Berhsam?. married John Smith - but never found marriage cert however possible her sister Frances married John Smith in 1859 and died in childbirth , hence Elizabeth became John Smith "wife".
i have every document right up to me and my siblings from Elizabeth Louisa Jones- apart from marriage. her children and their lines etc.

now I subscribe to Full Ancestry including pro, My Heritage and also FindMyPast.
DNA i manage for my are myself, my full brother, my half brother, half brothers daughter (my niece) , and have access to my 2nd cousins DNA all uploaded to MH apart from 2nd cousins.

now Elizabeth Jones husband - John Smith parents. between us confirmed by Ancestry DNA and connected to me is 7.

now Elizabeth Louisa Jones father presuming from Frances marriage states John Jones labourer.

now my full brother and I on Ancestry DNA matches have this 1 DNA match to her paternal line - through lines - i know how it works. suggests Lewis Jones is the connection and that John jones father is Robert Jones and his dad is Lewis Jones connecting us. - however i cannot confirm those links beyond John to Lewis.

however my half brother has a match also suggesting the same Lewis but totally different person. - and its showing on maternal side - so not our side- although yes ive come across that before been wrong side. but i have managed to connect him to us, with just John and Robert via his Sister Mary Jones  connected to Lewis Jones. but floating as unverified.

now on MH all 3 of us plus my half niece all have the DNA match to this 1 DNA (Lewis connection) but match both her parents and to cut a long story short i have connected 37 and counting DNA Matches to her maternal and 30 plus and counting to her paternal side! yes her parents match each other several times - i just cannot connect to me.

now quite alot of these do have shared matches with the John Smith parents i have confirmed. but still not linked direct to me. and some are from Elizabeth Louisa Jones and John Smith daughter line who is my next gt grandmother, and my gt grandfathers line.


So any help out who could be the correct Elizabeth Lousia Jones parents will be very greatly appriciated

many thanks
Weenie

[weenie]

ive also forgot - because ive not linked yet- and the common ancestor bit has disappeared now - but
i have 5 other dna matches that all sit within the same common ancestor.Thomas Jones 1836 Wrexham,  and this shows that his father as John Jones but different year they have 1791- i havew 1801

now it did show potential common ancestor as Ambrose Williams. which would tie in to previous post that i linked earlier John Jones and Elizabeth Williams - page 2 on comments.

and the only link i have to that is ..... the 1851 census John Jones 1801 Minera. wife Elizabeth Jones a fair few children including a frances and Elizabeth with correct birth years and then Nephew?  Thomas Jones 1838 minera - which these people have as the connection.

however non of these 5 have shared match with my other 7 nor the one dna match suggested Lewis Jones as the common ancestor

many thanks Weenie

[wilcoxon]

Are you sure about the 1859 marriage. As far as I can see there isn't a match. 
A John Smith married in Wrexham in 1859 but the other names don't include a Frances Jones.
No matches in Wrexham earlier.

A Frances Smith b sep qtr 1859 mmn Jones.
A Frances Smith d sep qtr 1859 aged 27.

[weenie]

sorry it was cheshire marriages and marriage was 1858... hit wrong key

Weenie

[wilcoxon]

Do you have the marriage certificate to confirm the parents, Abode. Wittnesses etc.

[weenie]

Yes i do
 its saying too large dont know why but its on ancestry cheshire marriage and banns

John Smith Carpenter Wrexham Road age 24 father Samuel Smith Labourer -
Frances Jones 26 Wrexham road father John Jones Labourer

witnesses Martha Jones Thomas moore

weenie

[wilcoxon]

 Are they living down Kings Mills. Abenbury in all census records. John is a wheelwright.

[weenie]

yes Till John death in 1890 slipping on ice, Elizabeth is then living with her son Albert and his wife Mary after Alberts death in 1910.
then Elizabeth death is 7Feb 1917 at bates cottage, Elizabeth Selina Smith is informant her son Arthurs Wife. - Arthur and his wife have bates cottage marchwiel till 1945

Weenie

[wilcoxon]

Just looking at all the census places of birth for Elizabeth and she is inconsistent.

I see Martha Jones as a witness on the 1858 marriage,  where does she fit in.

1851 Minera .,John Jones, all his children were born Minera which doesn't fit with Elizabeth.
I think the daughter Frances Jones married John Evans in Wrexham 1853. Both of Minera.
Father John Jones, smith.

I would be looking at more towards Wrexham. 

Possibly ignore the last 1911 entry as Holt, she was an old lady by then and living with her daughter in law who I guess really doesn't know where Elizabeth was born.