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Re: Keogh and Toomy family in Ballymore Eustace, County Wicklow
« Reply #45 on: Monday 27 January 25 10:26 GMT (UK) »
The Darcy I had being baptised in 1810 is
 https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633342?locale=en#page/54/mode/1up. Perhaps I am looking at the wrong line but not sure how to check this.


That link is to Jacobus Keogh son of Darbie and Catherine with sponsors William Simmins and Catherine Gallagher.

Jacobus is James.


Where did you get this link from? Wexflyer had advised that this was a James baptism earlier. 

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Re: Keogh and Toomy family in Ballymore Eustace, County Wicklow
« Reply #46 on: Monday 27 January 25 17:41 GMT (UK) »
For Anne Toomey's birth of 1812 it is in the records for the parish of Blackditches which I had been told was absorbed as part of Ballymore Eustace around 1830.

Who told you this?
Because it isn't true. That parish still exists today!

https://dublindiocese.ie/parish/valleymount/

Where it says "St. Joseph, Valleymount, built in 1803.  Formerly Blackditches."
On the NLI website it is Blackditches aka Valleymount, with the records continuing to their cutoff date in 1880.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Keogh and Toomy family in Ballymore Eustace, County Wicklow
« Reply #47 on: Monday 27 January 25 17:54 GMT (UK) »
OP - The baptism date you gave for Ann Toomy would have had her married at age 16.

You realize that is very unlikely, right?

And if you had the baptism date, you had her parents names too. Why didn't you mention them?
Father Farrel Toomy
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633349#page/8/mode/1up

Were any of her children named Farrel? No.

And then there is the fact that she was married in the parish of Ballymore Eustace. It was the custom - actually the rule - that a wedding should take place in the bride's parish - which was Blackditches for that woman.

Finally, there is a marriage for Ann Toomy in Blackditches, married to Patrick Cullen on 20/3/1830.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Keogh and Toomy family in Ballymore Eustace, County Wicklow
« Reply #48 on: Monday 27 January 25 18:50 GMT (UK) »

I appreciate all the detail about the Irish Constabulary and it makes perfect sense with Patricks's records showing he was often in Hollywood.


It makes no sense to me. If he was from Ballymore Eustace and was stationed in Hollywood, then that was in his home parish! Which should not have been possible.
Could you post a snippet showing his constabulary record - where he was born, where stationed?
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area


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Re: Keogh and Toomy family in Ballymore Eustace, County Wicklow
« Reply #49 on: Monday 27 January 25 18:58 GMT (UK) »
My ggrandfather was Darby Keogh born about 1810 and married to Ann Toomy. They had 8 children, including my great grandmother Catherine baptised 1836.

OP, the above is your first post.

It seems you withheld a lot of information up front:
- You actually had specific baptisms in mind for Darby and Ann, which you didn't mention until way into the conversation.
- Baptisms that gave parents for them (or not)
- And a location for Ann, which isn't even in Ballymore Eustace.
- You also had information about occupations, police records, etc. which all took time to emerge.

After we had spent a lot of our time.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Keogh and Toomy family in Ballymore Eustace, County Wicklow
« Reply #50 on: Monday 27 January 25 19:15 GMT (UK) »

I appreciate all the detail about the Irish Constabulary and it makes perfect sense with Patricks's records showing he was often in Hollywood.


It makes no sense to me. If he was from Ballymore Eustace and was stationed in Hollywood, then that was in his home parish! Which should not have been possible.
Could you post a snippet showing his constabulary record - where he was born, where stationed?

Thanks Wexflyer I guess my advice to look at a list of RIC employees and to only select from those born out of Co Wicklow for Wicklow based and look elsewhere in Ireland for born in Wicklow employees,  was not understood. 

Here in NZ currently postings to Police (initial posts particularly), and occupations with law enforcement roles such as Fisheries and some Customs are carefully not posted to home regions.  While 'knowing the people/surrounds' can have benefits these advanatages are heavily outweighed by the possibility of being 'got at' or the plain old difficulty of policing kith and kin.