Jane Dayus (1827-1912) Chelmarsh, Shropshire. Husband and Parents Information

[Lesleyperry]

Researching this Charles Morris - his parents and family, details here:

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Name   
Charles Morris
Birth   
abt 1826 Shropshire, England
Residence   
Chelmarsh, Chelmarsh, Shropshire, England 


1. Not Edward and Marie Morris, Astley Abotts, as their son, Charles 18,  (and other children) appears with them (on the 1841).

Thanks,
L
 

[Lesleyperry]

Re: Thomas b. 1816 Shropshire and Charles Morris b. 1826 Shropshire living in Chelmarsh, Shropshire in 1841.

1.There is a Thomas Morris married Elizabeth Elcock June 16, 1841 in Chelmarsh.  Looking for Thomas Morris's father's name. 

They are living in Chelmarsh in 1851 (see below) and assuming Thomas is the same person. 

2. Charles Morris b. 1826, if he is Thomas's relation, might have been born in Cleobury Mortimer too. 

My theory is that Charles Morris b. 1826 died around 1849-1850.  I don't see Charles Morris b. 1826 on the 1851 census.

Which would be one reason why he (Charles Morris b.1826) didn't marry Jane Dayus (Louisa Dayus b.1848, Charles's daughter? - my 3x/2x), if he is indeed the father of Louis Morris (Dayus) b. 1848 - same married name (all speculative at this time).

Looking for Charles Morris's birth and death certificates (to trace this family). 

Morris/Elcock family are on Ingrams Lane in Chelmarsh.  Jane's father was over on Ingrams Lane (Edward Dayus) in the past, still to be researched (see above, Clara Wiliiams, son Edward Williams, b. 1833).

Thomas's profession mason, bricklayer ties in with Louisa's later marriage certificate where her father Charles Dayns mmn is listed as a stone mason.

I would eventually like to find a DNA connection.  Still a little ahead of myself here though.


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Name   
Thomas Morris
Spouse   
Elizabeth Morris
Children   
William
Birth   
abt 1813 Cleobury Mortimer, Shropshire, England
Residence   
Chelmarsh, Shropshire

Thanks,
L

[ciderdrinker]

Hi
I'm not getting a definite connection between Thomas Morris born 1816 and Charles 1826 but here's what I have.
Thomas married Elizabeth Elcock ,father Edward.I've just got the transcript not the whole thing)
So baptism 2.2.1812 Cleobury Mortimer s of Edward and Ann Morris
Siblings -Edward 27.7.1806 Hopton Wafer ,Anne 13.5.1808 CM,James 12.6.1814.
Edward buried 1787-8.3.1818 Cleonbury Mortimer.

Possible parents for Edward -Edward and Hannah Morris who had children at Cleobury Mortimer Sarah 15 .3.1785, and John 14.5.1788.
Edward married Hannah Haughton 22.10.1782 at Bayton Worcestershire.

John could be Charles's father.

Charles Morris born1826 bapt 10.3.1824 at Cleobury Mortimer s of John and Maria Morris carpenter.
Siblings John born 25.6.1826 and George born 9.6.1828  and died 1828.
Maria buried 24.3.1829 age 28 at Cleobury Mortimer of Lindridge.
John remarried Margaret Kirk 5.8.1830 at Kimbolton
children
Edwin 31.10.1830 Kimbolton,Josiah 6.9.1835 CM,James 1837 CM ,William 21.8.1842 CM,Henry June 1845 and Robert 10.6.1851 Lower St Carpenter.

The 1851 census has them in Lower St CMortimer born 1787 and 1813.
So John could be the one son of Edward and Hannah Morris.Which would make Thomas and Charles first cousins.
Son Charles Morris  is not with the family on the 1841 or 1851 census.

That's all I have.

Ciderdrinker

[Lesleyperry]

Thanks!  Much appreciated.

I will look at your information!

To me, it's looking hopeful that Charles Morris 1826 Shropshire, located in Chelmarsh in 1841, is long lost 3xgg. 

Based on:

1.Charles Morris 1826 location (Chelmarsh) - and no other Charles candidates thereabouts.

2.The later marriage certificate for (speculative) daughter, 1875 Thomas Morris (same last name, coincidently) = Louisa Dayus (mmn), specifying Charles Dayns (mmn), Mason. 

Charles Morris 1816, his relative, Thomas Morris 1816, with whom Charles is living in Chelmarsh, lists Mason 1841, Bricklayer 1851.

3. A (speculative) early demise for Charles Morris 1826 (sadly), suggesting a valid reason (which breaks a typical childbirth to marriage pattern) for a discontinued relationship with Jane Dayus (1826-1912).

L   

[Lesleyperry]

Researching this Charles Morris - looking for his parents and family.  Details here 1841:

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Name   
Charles Morris
Birth   
abt 1826 Shropshire, England
Residence   
Chelmarsh, Chelmarsh, Shropshire, England 


1. Not Edward and Marie Morris, Astley Abotts, as their son, Charles 18,  (and other children) appears with them (on the 1841).

Thanks,
L

[Lesleyperry]

Re: Charles Morris b. 1826 (1824), age 15, Shropshire 1841, General Laborer - candidate for 3x gg.

Sorting through the details for clarification.  No DNA match yet.

1.Charles Morris has these two documents on Ancestry:

A.
Name   John Morris
Spouse   Maria Morris
Child          Charles Morris
 
and:

B.
Name   Charles Morris
Gender   Male
Baptism Date   11 Apr 1824
Baptism Place   Cleobury-Mortimer, Shropshire, England
Father   John Morris
Mother   Maria
FHL Film Number   1657548
Reference ID   Page 63 #499

Is there a marriage certificate for John Morris = Maria, m. 1800ish.   If so, where can I find it? 
What's Maria's last name?   

There were three sons (for John Morris = Maria), Charles Morris b.1824 (above), John Morris b.1826 and George, died young (see above).  John Morris b. 1826 appears on the 1851 but not with family. 

Trying to also identify this brother, John Morris b. 1826 on the 1861.    There are many young people with that name (John Morris b. 1826) and no exact birthplace match (Cleobury Mortimer) as far as I can see.

2.
John Morris
Gender   Male
Baptism Date   30 Dec 1787
Baptism Place   Cleobury Mortimer, Shropshire, England
Father   John Morris
Mother   Mary
FHL Film Number   162094

This birth may be for John Morris (Charles's dad) with Charles's grandparents John Morris = Mary.

Is there a marriage certificate for John Morris = Mary around the 1780s.   If so, where can I find it?    What's Mary's last name? 


Charles Morris was quite possibly born in Cleobury Mortimer because his relative (they're together) on the 1841, Thomas Morris b. 1816, 25, Shropshire, Mason/Bricklayer, reappears on the 1851 with that birthplace.   

The profession Mason/Bricklayer matches information from a later marriage certlficate (for possibly Charles's daughter, Louisa Dayus mmn, = Thomas Morris (1852-1912); husband not directly related). 

Mother (Jane Dayus 1826-1912) and daughter (Louisa) lived close by, all in Chelmarsh 1840s/50s.

There are other questions relating to Thomas Morris (1816) too, but this is a start.

Tricky search this! 

Comments/suggestions welcome.

Thanks,

L

[Lesleyperry]

Now researching this family for Charles Morris, b. March 16, 1824, age 15, Cleobury Mortimer, w/Thomas Morris, age 25, 1841 census, relationship undetermined. 

This is to confirm Charles as Jane's husband, of the original post - 3x ggs. 


1. Charles Morris's father could be:

John Morris c. Dec 30, 1787 = Maria (of Lindridge, above), m: 1822 abt.  Maria's death 1829. 
Charles Morris's siblings: John Morris c. 1826 (to locate in 1861  ), George Morris c. 1828, infant death.

John Morris 1787 remarried to Margaret Kirk, Aug 1830 • Kimbolton, Hereford.  Several children: Edwin, Josiah, James, William, Henry, Robert.


2.John Morris 1787, John's siblings could be:

Mary Morris c. April 16, 1786
Will Morris c. Feb 17, 1790.


3.Charles Morris's grandfather could be:

John Morris, b. abt. 1750 = Mary Williams,  b. abt. 1750, m. Nov 13, 1785, Cleobury Mortimer, living in Kinlett.  Issue: John, Mary and Will above.


Researching with an aim for a DNA match to Charles's father, John Morris. 

Regards, L

[Lesleyperry]

I'm looking for information about Jane Dayus's husband and parents.

Can anyone see anything in the church records (I live far away)?

1841 Census
Ann Dayus, 60, b.1781 Stoke St. Milborough (Mibbris?)
Sami Dayus, 25, b. 1816
Jane Dayus, 14, (1827-1912) Chelmarsh    - 3x
Eliza Dayus, 9, August 5,1832.     Mother: Mary, b.1810 c.       


1851 - lived on the common in Chelmarsh
Ann, 75
Jane, 25, dressmaker                     
Louisa, 2, (1848-1922) Chelmarsh     - 2x 

Is Ann the mother of Jane?   Is there a generation in between?  Who is Ann's husband? 

Jane's husband's name does not appear on any of the census from 1941 to 1911.  Jane's children are: Louisa (=Thomas Morris), Thomas, Charlotte, Ann, Maria Beatrice.

Any help is much appreciated.
Best wishes,
Lesleyperry

[Lesleyperry]

See: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=890187.0

possible
13 Jul 1823 marriage
 Stockton-On-Teme, St Andrew
John Morris and Maria James
note says - groom of Kimbolton. Kimbolton mentioned reply 3