Elizabeth bc1818 Clerkenwell married George Lansbury when?

[Neale1961]

Yes I think George Lansbury is in the Bermondsey workhouse in 1881

GRO death entry
LANSBURY, GEORGE          age 71   
GRO Reference: 1888  J Quarter in SAINT OLAVE SOUTHWARK  Volume 01D  Page 160

Burial 29 May 1888 Newham London

[Neale1961]

Elizabeth Mary Goodwin
Baptised 22 Oct 1818 St James, Clerkenwell
Parents John Goodwin (miner) and Elizabeth

Eliza Goodwin
Baptised 6 Jan 1832 Beaminster
Parents John Goodwin (excavator) and Elizabeth
Was John Goodwin working on the construction of Beaminster tunnel?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaminster_Tunnel

According to 1851 cenus
John Goodwin born 1777 Staffordshire

Wife Elizabeth born 1798 Middlesex

I can't see a census for them after that, and cannot see a death / burial in the Rotherhithe area.

[nannyj]

Jane Lansbury emigrated to Australia, after marriage to Henry Mitchell. Her obit from Australia show she was born in Rouen France about 1846 when her father was working in building the railway from Paris to Rouen.
Perhaps you need to look in France for a marriage for George to Elizabeth Goodwin.

As the Goodwin family are not in the English census in 1841, the father John Goodwin may have also been working in France.

(There is a Anc tree with photos on the family)

Can anyone find the marriage between George and Mary and does it have her father's name? I have George's parents as William Lansbury and Sarah Saunders, and I have George's siblings.

You must mean a marriage between George and Elizabeth?

Yes 🤦

[nannyj]

Thank you.
Think we're getting there. I don't have a baptism for Elizabeth Mary Lansbury b1861 as need to post on Spain board. Also don't have a marriage for her parents, but maybe this was in France, as you've suggested, or maybe they never actually married. I'll try France board. Long shot, but nothing ventured ...

However, do have this much ...

Elizabeth Mary Lansbury b1861/2 Spain ... I believe ... is the daughter of George Lansbury b1816 Romsey, Hampshire and Elizabeth Mary Goodwin b1818 Clerkenwell, Middlesex.

Some of this is educated assumption:

Elizabeth Lansbury born 1818 Clerkenwell, is on 1851 census in Rotherhithe with husband George Lansbury b1816 Romsey. They're with their daughter Jane bc1844 in Rouen. As mentioned on the other posts, it's likely that George Lansbury and John Goodwin, mentioned below, were working on the railways in Rouen France at the same time.

Elizabeth Mary (only called Mary on one census) Lansbury b1861/2 Spain, is with uncle Charles in Romsey in 1871. When I searched for Charles, and cross matched with those with a brother George, I found one b1814 in Michelmersh, which is near Romsey. They have two other brothers ... Joseph b1820. I can't find anything else on him. Henry b1826, who goes to Australia in 1850 as a single man and dies there according to other trees. So, and this is the educated assumption ... George is her father.

 Elizabeth May Goodwin born 1818 Clerkenwell to John Goodwin (miner) who was born c1787 Staffordshire according to 1851 census when they were living in Rotherhithe. I have confirmed the Goodwin surname for Elizabeth b1818 with the fact it says on 1861 census Rotherhithe that her sister Eliza is living with her and was born 1832 Beaminster, Dorset. A baptism for Eliza Goodwin in Jan 1832 in Beaminster gives John Goodwin as her father and Elizabeth as her mother. John's wife given as  Elizabeth, born c1798 Middlesex on 1851 census in Rotherhithe (obviously all back from France at this point.)

Interestingly, when the sister Eliza is born in 1832, John Goodwin, her father, says he is an excavator. When I googled it, it was basically someone who dug out the earth for things like roads and railways. A bit of a link with George Lansbury perhaps.

 So, next request for a bit of help please 🙏

Can anyone find a marriage between John Goodwin bc1787 Staffordshire and Elizabeth bc1798 (don't have a surname) prior to their daughter's birth in 1818 in Clerkenwell?  When I searched, I couldn't find any other children in Clerkenwell, although there is another John and Elizabeth Goodwin but he's a watchmaker, so unlikely the same one).

I tried to put the same colours for names to help, as there are too many Elizabeths and also an Eliza 🤦 but they didn't come out ... Sorry. I don't know how to do that now.

Thanks again.

Moderator comment: colour of text reverted to all black

[Neale1961]

Trying to avoid confusion -
The mother born 1818 was Elizabeth Mary LANSBURY
The child born abt 1861 in Spain was Mary Elizabeth LANSBURY

As previously posted, the child born in Spain is unlikely to be the biological daughter of Elizabeth Mary.
Elizabeth Mary was in the 1861 census in Rotherhithe and she died there in 1863. It is unlikely she popped over to Spain in between to give birth at the age of 44.

Note – pale coloured text in your last post, is too pale to see clearly.

[nannyj]

Hi there. Thanks for replying so quickly.
Can I ask why you think the 1861 daughter is called Mary? On all the censuses, bar the 1871 with her uncle, she calls herself Elizabeth. Her marriage and death have her as Elizabeth M. 1911 & 1921 are Elizabeth Mary. Although they give themselves the surname Brown rather than Woodford in 1901, which is bizarre but I'm sure correct family as they are with two of their children, right dates and Jose is an unusual name plus Elizabeth gives her birth as Spain.
I only have the marriage registration rather than the cert unfortunately, so don't have her father's name. The tree is for a friend, so would rather not spend my own money on it really (although it would sort the father for definite).
Thanks for all you help and interest.

I see your point about the popping over to Spain bit though.

I didn't make it all orange ... At least not deliberately 🤦 and now it won't let me change it at all 🤦

[nannyj]

Maybe George and Elizabeth Mary had split up and that's why she says she's widowed in 1861?

I've sent off for the marriage cert of Elizabeth and Albert. At least then I'll know her father's name for sure 🙄 Estimated dispatch 5 Feb, so watch this space 🤔

[nannyj]

Certificate arrived this afternoon:

Elizabeth Mary Lansbury aged 19 of Latimer Street, Romsey
married Albert Woodford, aged 23, journeyman shoeing smith, of Hundred Romsey
on 21 June 1880 at Bell Street Baptist Chapel, Romsey.

Parents: George Lansbury deceased, railway contractor ... At least I've got him right 🙄

Henry Woodford, master shoeing smith.