John Williams, born Llansadwrn, c. 1845

[liverpoolgenealogy]

Apologies for my delay in responding! But thank you for your research all!

I actually have Grace's death certificate,  I purchased a few years ago, unfortunately led to no leads, which is why I forgot to mention it! The certificate records her death as occurring at Tir Gawr, Llandegfan and was registered by her father, John Williams.

I think Grace and Hugh as parents of John surely must be the right parents? Everything seems to fit! So grateful to you all. 

[Neale1961]

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[liverpoolgenealogy]

I was having a look through the census records for Grace, she seemed to have very mixed fortunes with her occupations! Her son was on the wealthier side, very sad to see her as a pauper in 1881, but then the 1871 and 1891 censuses seem to suggest otherwise. I wonder what the annuity was?

Also, forgive me, I'm not familiar with researching in Wales, the addresses on the census don't all look like addresses as they would be in England. At the 1851 census, Grace and John lived at Tyn Capel, could this have been a street in Llansadwrn? It only looks like a small village even today, but every family on the census pages seem to have a different address? 

[liverpoolgenealogy]

Potential 1841 census for them, almost next to eachother?

Grace:
can't read place name
John Thomas, 65, farmer, not born county
Grace do, 25, born county
Margaret do, 15, born county
Margaret Edmund, 25, FS, born county
William Jones, 20, MS, born county

Again struggling to read address for Hugh, but its on the same document.
Separate dwelling house:
Hugh Williams, 19, MS, born county
Owen Williams, 16, MS, born county
Mary Roberts, 20, FS, born county

Piece   1363
Book   12
Folio   11
Page number   16

Not sure about this, there are a few things that don't fit, like Grace's father being a farmer rather than a Labourer that she said he was on the marriage record in 1842, but it caught my eye because there is a Grace and Hugh fairly close together, with Grace older.

[liverpoolgenealogy]

I also ordered the digital image of Grace's 1895 death certificate, it confirms we're on the right family. The informant was John Williams, son, 4 Yamwath Street, Liverpool.

Widow of Hugh, farm labourer. Address of death was Elliot House, Cemaes, Llanbadrig.

[liverpoolgenealogy]

I also ordered Hugh's death for 1847, again seems to have some confirmation. Address was At Capel Llansadwrn. Not sure who the informant is though, Ellen something, I've attached the image. Cause of death: decay, not certified. I haven't seen that on the cause of death for someone so young before!

[liverpoolgenealogy]

Potential brother of John? Not sure about this.

Bodewryd, Anglesey
Bap 27 August 1843, Hugh and Grace Williams, abode: Ty cfal? father's occ. Farmer.

Not sure there's an accompanying registration, this is the closest I could find, but the district is a bit of an issue, so maybe no reg:

WILLIAMS, OWEN       MMN THOMAS 
GRO Reference: 1843  J Quarter in CARNARVON  Volume 27  Page 325


Would be quite a few possible deaths both in Carnarvon and surrounding registration area up to 1851.

[Neale1961]

The term “pauper” recorded on the census was a little at the discretion of the census enumerator, I think.

Under the provisions of the Poor Law, a pauper was a person having no property or means of livelihood; a person dependent on the charity of others (whether public charity or family).
I think Grace was receiving an income of sorts, from her son once he was earning enough. This was the “annuity” recorded a couple of times – again the census enumerator’s choice.

[Neale1961]

I think it is safe to say that John William did not have any siblings (that lived beyond infancy at least) or we would see them in the 1851 census.


Informant at Hugh William’s death looks like Ellen Parry
There is an Ellen / Eleanor Parry living in Llansadwrn, born abt 1800 in Llanfair. She has others and “children / grandchildren” with the surname Williams living with her. So there may be a family connection for you to check out.