John Williams, born Llansadwrn, c. 1845

[liverpoolgenealogy]

Have you discounted this one in 1861 - Trefor Newygdd, Llansadwrn, Bangor, Anglesey,
I realise that John gives his fathers occupation as Labourer

Certainly possible. I haven't discounted this one, I've kept note of it, but I'm not sure how likely it is. I
The occupation is off, as you mention, and the children's names don't really match the names John and Mary gave to his children, not that they all should, but its something to look for. I would have to follow up on this lead again though, I made notes on some potential records for John years ago, but I've lost them somewhere. 

I was questioning if the nurse on the 1881 census might actually be his mother, under her maiden name, I have seen that before, especially if parents weren't married, or were just pretending to be. But again, probably not very likely, just a fringe possibility in absence of any concrete records.

[liverpoolgenealogy]

Thomas Morley
Father    William Morley

Ann Hughes
Father John Hughes farmer

Marriage Date    7 Apr 1871 Everton, St Peter

Witnesses Hugh Hughes, Bryan Lunt

added: 1871 census has them recorded working at the same public house. Ann b Llanbadrig

Thank you for following up on this! I've had a similar problem with tracing the Hughes family, there is so many of them! I did assume Hugh was a brother, but this confirm Ann must be a sister! 

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Right - brain is back in gear. Ann and Hugh Hughes are potentially siblings of Mary Williams nee Hughes

[Mabel Bagshawe]

1851 - Llanbadrig

John Hughes  43
Margaret Hughes  40
Anne Hughes  4
Mary Hughes    4 Mo    

Not sure how Hugh fits in - son by a previous marriage perhaps?

[Neale1961]

Summary of Mabels work…….
Ann Morley was formerly Ann Hughes – sister to Mary Hughes
Ann Hughes married in Everton 1871 to Thomas Herdman Morley

This is the Hughes family in 1851 census (Ann and Mary first born children)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGCQ-RNG

The family is still in the same place in 1861 and 1871 with sons John and Thomas



Hugh Hughes could be an uncle to Mary Hughes.
This 1861 census is interesting. Hugh Hughes but also in the house is a John Williams age 19
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7G8-XTP
Could be complete red herring, as those names are just so common in this area.

Also worth noting that when Ann (Hughes) Morley died in 1929, her burial was in the Congregational Church.
Both the Hughes and Williams might have been members of the Congregational Church, which maybe is why we are having trouble finding baptism records.

[Neale1961]

I am just noting down the names of the children of John Williams, as it might be helpful in finding his parents.
In order of birth -
Grace Ann
Margaret Ellen
Hugh Thomas
Mary Ellen
William Owen
John Richard
Catherine Myfanwy
Thomas Herbert


We might be looking for a mother with the name Grace or Ellen?

[Neale1961]

DEATH NOTICE
Grace Williams July 28 1893 At Tir-Garw, Anglesey, eldest daughter of John Williams tile merchant, 4 Yarmouth Street Liverpool

Tξr-garw is in Llandegfan (very near to Menai Bridge) 
She was only aged 14, so perhaps visiting or staying with family when she died. It might be a good lead to follow up on.


The death certificate might give you the name of informant that could be useful link.

WILLIAMS, GRACE       Age 14 
GRO Reference: 1893  M Quarter in ANGLESEY  Volume 11B  Page 378

[Neale1961]

I am running out of time now, but will post this 1851 census as a possibility for anyone to follow up on.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGVG-9TT

[rosie99]

That does look good Neale.   
Tyn Capal, Llansadwrn
Grace Williams   Widow   38      Pauper house servant    bn Cemaes (?), Anglesey
John   Williams   Son      7      At home   bn Llansadwrn, Anglesey