1911 England Census Summary Books

[MisterNick]

Thanks Jen, very helpful.
My Great grandfathers occupation school caretaker at one or more schools.
I am now wondering whether the families accommodation was in the school. The family, three daughters, my grandfather and my Great Grand mother and Father would have been to Goethe up untiil my Great Grandmothers death. The daughters went to a convent in Worthing, my Grandfather appears, at least in the short term, to have moved in with his uncle and my Great Grandfather moved into smaller accommodation. All speculation of course.
As I have mentioned I have a large collection of photos of everyday life from the time which i believe were taken by grandfather and I am trying to get the story that runs through them. These are a couple photos I have posted on the Our Lady of The Sacred Heart School Facebook page which i believe would have been taken by my Grandfather.
Sorry, can't upload the photos at the moment as they are too big. Will look into it.
Can we tell what street number the school would have been?

[MisterNick]

Had a bit of a problem getting the photo sizes reduced. Hope this is it now.

[MisterNick]

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Can we tell what street number the school would have been?

Hi, I wondered whether anybody was able to help as to where I could find this information please?
Whilst I have been on Ancestry for a while, and probably made some mistakes on there, I am not really clued up on which way to point to gather information.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[jonwarrn]

Lots of London directories on ancestry in London, England, City Directories, 1736-1943
They have some Islington directories up to 1905 to browse.

Is this going to work?
I've attempted to make it magnifable to a larger size than originally.
Eden Grove in the 1910 PO London Directory.
https://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/iiif/2/p16445coll4:8836/full/1350,/0/default.jpg?page=165

Islington schools in 1910
https://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/iiif/2/p16445coll4:8839/full/1350,/0/default.jpg?page=515

From here you can download a 400 page guide to Islington streets history
https://friendsofim.com/2021/04/08/streets-with-a-story-the-book-of-islington/

[Tickettyboo]

This area is not one I am familiar with, either personally or within any research I've done over the years.

I too looked at directories as jonwarrn did, and doubt that schools churches etc would be listed with a number on a street on maps, directories, census returns etc - they were too recognisable to miss?

This page gives a snynopsis of the history of the school (use CTRL and F to search the page and look for Sacred Heart to go directly to the entry saves scrolling)
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/middx/vol8/pp117-135

and though its not the same time frame as you are looking for, you can see the church, presbytery and school marked in 1901 on this Goad fire insurance map
https://www.oldmapsonline.org/en/City_of_London?gid=842bc6f5-eaa1-59a4-a2bb-20aef60fce90#position=18.3983/51.55004/-0.115082&year=1901

this page on the NLS gives info about the symbols etc on these maps and says that numbers parellel with the street are the house numbers - 4a Grove street, where your Alfred was, is clearly marked on that Goad map and is the other side of the road from the church
https://maps.nls.uk/towns/goad/abbreviations.html

Also check the 1921 census for Alfred who was in a convalescent home in Worthing, that tells you the name of his employer and where he worked. Whether employment records for London County Council still exist I don't know but the London Metropolitan Archives may be able to tell you

Boo

[jonwarrn]

the London Metropolitan Archives may be able to tell you

They just call themselves The London Archives now, Boo. Though I still think of it as the LMA
https://www.thelondonarchives.org/

Love the Goad map.

[Tickettyboo]

the London Metropolitan Archives may be able to tell you

They just call themselves The London Archives now, Boo. Though I still think of it as the LMA
https://www.thelondonarchives.org/

Love the Goad map.

I'm like the coo's tail, always behind :-)

 I looked but failed to find a later Goad map which would have been better

Boo

[california dreamin]

Well just as a warning in terms of access to 'modern' day records such as employment records. IF, (the big IF),  they have been retained you cannot access these until after 100 years has lapsed. So that is from the time the record was 'produced' . So if looking at a series of records you'd only be able to access those prior to 1925.

I guess in the first instance you'd need to determine where the records might be and what there is in the collection.

CD

[Tickettyboo]

Well just as a warning in terms of access to 'modern' day records such as employment records. IF, (the big IF),  they have been retained you cannot access these until after 100 years has lapsed. So that is from the time the record was 'produced' . So if looking at a series of records you'd only be able to access those prior to 1925.

I guess in the first instance you'd need to determine where the records might be and what there is in the collection.

CD

Good point and, in addition, if its a remote request to any archives (rather than looking at records in person at the archives) there will be a 'research fee'.
Which, while I appreciate that its likely to be fair for the time/effort involved, is often beyond my budget.

Boo