Marriage look up Oswestry 1925

[Aquitaine]

Hi all here I go again, I havent done any Welsh research bordering on Shropshire so struggling with place names.

The marriage took place at the Register Office Oswestry Shropshire 5 Oct 1925 and I have the certificate.
I am interested in finding Richard Roberts born abt 1878/79 he gave date of birth on 1939 register as 4 Jan 1879 then on 1921 place of birth was Llanfair-Caereinion, Montgomeryshire, Wales living 43 Bryn St, Newtown. His father was named as also Richard Roberts a farm bailiff.  His wife Jane Ann Jones nee Roberts was wife/widow of Samuel Jones who was living further down the same street in 1921. Richard Roberts was cremated I found out at Rochdale. The earliest known census is the 1921. I am happy with Jane Ann Jones nee Roberts tree up to now.

I have checked GRO for a birth of Richard Roberts in 1st Q 1879 without success there are some in later quarters ?! So I dont know if the birth date is wrong etc. or not registered.  I have looked at some census but feel I am going round in circles, with Jones, Roberts and Roberts on the other side. 

I wondered if anyone could help. Thank you in advance.

[CaroleW]

Was Richard shown as a bachelor or a widower on the marriage cert?  He was around 47 in 1925 if he was b 1878

[Cas (stallc)]

Maybe a red herring but there is this bapt. Could the father be made up?

Name   Richard Roberts
Baptism Age   0
Record Type   Baptism
Birth Date   1879
Baptism Date   19 Feb 1879
Baptism Place   Garthbeibio, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Mother   Ellen
Page number   73

About 9 miles to Llanfair

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MGY/Garthbeibio

Cas

[Cas (stallc)]

Not locating any with father Richard that is a farm bailiff.

He must have been enlisted for WW1. Which may give a next of kin.

Possibles..no access to Fold 3

Name   Richard Roberts
Rank   Private
Record Type   Military
Birth Date   1877
Residence Place   Newtown Mon (Newtown is in Montgomeryshire) also area in 1921 census)
Military Service Region   Wales
Military Country   Wales
Discharge Date   24 Apr 1918
Service Number   265242
Corps, Regiment or Unit   LABOUR CORPS
Service Branch   Military (Army)
Title   WWI Pension Record Cards and Ledgers
Description   Pension Record Ledger
Reference Number   5/Mr/319

Name   Richard Roberts
Military Date   1914-1920
Military Place   England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, United Kingdom
Regiment or Corps   The Royal Welsh (Welch) Fusiliers, Labour Corps
Regimental Number   36538, 265242

Cas

[Aquitaine]

Hi there, thank you to Carole W and Cas,
I will try to follow up on your messages, apologies if I spelt any Welsh names incorrectly!
I think Richard is giving me the run around.

I got a birth certificate GRO which is not the one: 16 Feb 1879 Richard son of Robert Roberts mother Mary Roberts formerly Jones - father a labourer -at Tainewyddion Pennant - discounted as father incorrect...you can see why I am getting mixed up with the Jones and Roberts!

and another birth record 2 June 1879 at Pistiladdan Manafon Richard no father listed mother Mary Roberts.

Here is the transcript of the marriage certificate  5 October 1925 at Register Office Oswestry Salops

Richard Roberts 46 years bachelor - Insurance Agent - 66 Salop Road Oswestry - his father Richard Roberts (deceased) - Farm Bailiff married to: Jane Anne Jones 47 years widow - 66 Salop Road Oswestry her father Evan Roberts (deceased) - General labourer both signed the register Witnesses:
Alice Gwilt and Howell.   I cannot make out the first name it seems unusual and a middle name letter. Not a J I've got a line with Jane Anne Jones nee Roberts on Ancestry so happy there.

[Cas (stallc)]

There is this marriage, so could be a possible sister to Robert

Marriages Jun Q 1912   
GWILT    Joseph    - Roberts    Oswestry    6a   1602    
Roberts    Alice   -  Gwilt    Oswestry    6a   1602    
 

[Cas (stallc)]

1911 for Jane Ann Jones & husband Samuel has Alice Roberts down as Sis in Law.

Going by 1921 Alice Gwilt b 1881 Shropshire, with husband it looks like same Alice. So likely on the Jane Ann side.

[Aquitaine]

I have done a check on Alice Gwilt and husband Joseph they were buried at Chirk Denbeighshire.
I found them on 1939 Register at 13 Bron-Y-Waen Chirk. Alice left a will probate to husband Joseph Gwilt 1955 both buried Chirk.

I have found an Alice Roberts registered 4Q Llanfyllin I was going to order, but as you say it may be the other side of family!

I feel I am going astray abit with these families.

[Cas (stallc)]

Can you do a screenshot snippet of the other witness name? Many are good at deciphering.

Other than that I don't know what to suggest, but would look at the enlistments, check for others, as am sure he would have been called up.

No access to Fold 3 but some on the military board are more knowledgeable