Sanders-Fursden marriage 1853

[Kieran15]

Hi all,

I have a copy of the marriage certificate for John Sanders and Thomasin Fursden, married 05.06.1853 in Stoke Damerel. Both born about 1833 in Hatherleigh. I have census records from 1861 onwards. The marriage certificate shows their fathers as James Sanders (gardener) and James Fursden (farmer).

I'm trying to trace both families back but the only Thomasin Fursden I have found is the daughter of Thomas Fursden (ag lab). My theory is the name is wrong on the marriage certificate, and the name James was just written for both. I'm looking for any evidence to prove/disprove I have the right family.

I also have a John Sanders with father James living in Hatherleigh in 1841, but again I'm looking at a way to prove this is the right person.

[ShaunJ]

Thomasin's surname is Fursdon on the marriage register

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBPRS%2FPLY%2F004634237%2F00224&parentid=GBPRS%2FM%2F35059376%2F2

Thomas Fursdon is one of the witnesses, and he was married on the same day, his father also recorded as James.

FindMyPast is telling me that I've looked at these records before....

[ShaunJ]

Ah yes there was a previous thread https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=863418

[Kieran15]

Apologies, I didn't realise I'd asked this two and a half years ago! I'm still a bit unsure of the right answer.

[ciderdrinker]

Hello
Let's start with James Sanders.
There are 2 James Sanders in Hatherleigh old enough to be his father and both are married to a Mary.
However only one has a son James .That is the one in South St in 1841
James Sanders 40 labourer y
Mary 35 y
Ann 10
John 8
James 5
William 1
James Palmer 5

It does make James a bit younger than 1833 and his wife Thomasin possibly baptised 10.3.1833 d of Thomas and Elizabeth Fursden.
James Sanders was baptised 3.4.1836 to James and Mary  Sanders labourer at Hatherleigh.
James senior dies 1801-15.1.1860 and his wife Mary carries on living in South St.On the 1881 census she is 77 a gardeners widow born Jacobstowe.
She dies 1804 -13.4.1883 South st ,note in margin -a great loss.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/183273443/james-sanders

James and Mary Essery  married at Hatherleigh 16.7.1823.
Both signed .Witnesses the clerk John Bews and her mother Florence Palmer who made her mark.
(Mary Essery was baptised 2.10.1804 at Jacobstowe to John and Florence Essey nee Jury.Marriage 8.11.1797 Her mother remarried at Hatherleigh to a William Palmer 3.11.1812)

James and Mary Sanders seem to have had the following children at Hatherleigh
Mary Ann 23.12.1823
Charlotte 27.2.1827
Ann 9.3.1830
John 9.12.1832
James 3.4.1836
William 9.2.1840
Elizabeth 7.11.1843
Richard 3.10.1847

James Sanders senior bapt Hatherleigh 31.12.1800 s of Richard and Joanna Sanders.(nee Bowden)
The couple married at her parish - Jacobstowe 5.1.1792.
Richard is described as of Hatherleigh Husbandsman.
Richard buried 10.1.1848 age 76 and Joanna 19.3.1832 age 65 years
Other children Mary 19.8.1792 Jacobstowe,William 10.1.1794 Hatherleigh ,Richard 31.12.1794,Susanna 26.11.1797,John 28.8.1799 ,James 31.12.1800 ,Joanna 14.6.1804,Samuel 10.8.1805 ,Charlotte 14.1.1808 ,

The other James Sanders marries Mary Jury 26.12.1828 both make mark.
He is the son of John and Mary Sanders bapt 18.4.1803 Hatherleigh.

Richard and John Sanders are brother baptised 28.10.1768 and 7.9.1766 .The sons of William and Susanna Sanders.

William Sanders miller married Susan Blackmore 15.4.1755.Both made mark.Witnesses Henry Nott Mellor  Maurice Angel Woolcomber

Burials William 1729-29.12.1813 and Susanna either 27.1.1785 or 11.5.1790

As for the Fursdens I'm still of the opinion Thomas and Elizabeth are her father and Mother.

Ciderdrinker

[Kieran15]

Thanks for this. It was John Sanders who married Thomasine, a baptism in December 1832 fits with the census and the rough date of birth of 1833.