Marriage between Frederick Joseph BELL & Frances RANBY 1861/62 - some confusion

[sft456]

Hi
Frederick Joseph BELL & Frances RANBY marriage 1861/2
Some confusion as to the date this couple m - BMD has Dec qtr 1861, Family S has Jan 1862 but no specific date (marriage notice Event date 2.1.1862 Lincs Chronicle)
Perhaps if anyone has access to this newpaper, a date could be confirmed
As always we are grateful for any assistance
sft456

[emeltom]

Dec 1861 Stamford 7a 641

If you get the marriage certificate it will give you the exact date.

Familysearch quite often get things wrong.

[LizzieW]

As FreeBMD has the marriage in the October/November/December quarter of 1861 then the marriage must have taken place during those months.  The fact that you say there is a marriage notice on 2.1.1862 in the Lincs Chronicle (although I couldn't find that), suggests the couple married late in December, possibly Christmas Day as many people did in those days as it was the only day they had off work.

As emeltom says, if you want to know the exact date you will have to buy the marriage certificate.  I've searched FindMyPast but the only info is what FreeBMD has, likewise Ancestry.

[amondg]

Are you trying to determine if he was a widower when he married?

Frederick Joseph Bell married Mary Ann SHORT 1848 registered Wisbech

1861 he is a widower living in Stamford Nottinghamshire with 2 children Frederick J Bell 6 born Wisbech and Mary Ann 5.

These children were registered Wisbech 1854 - Frederick and 1856 - Mary Ann with mother's maiden name SHORT.

Mary Ann Bell - death registered Stamford 1858 age 38.

1871 the family is in Fletton Huntingdonshire
Frederick 42  born Whittlesey
Frances   32   born London
Frederick 16   (from 1st marriage)  born Wisbech
Mary Ann  15 ( from 1st marriage)  Born Wisbech
Albert 7     Born Stamford
Arthur  3    Born Fletton
Emily  8 months   Born Fletton
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GRO Index
Albert Arthur Bell 1864 reg. Stamford  mother's maiden name Ranby
Elizabeth Ann Bell  1865   reg. Stamford             same   death reg. 1867 Peterborough age 1
Arthur Henry Bell 1867    reg. Peterborough        same
Emily Bell   1870  reg. Peterborough  mmn Rauby
Eliza Ann  Bell   1875  reg. Peterborough  mmn Ranby
Elizabeth Bell  1877  reg. Peterborough     same
Herbert Bell  1881  reg.  Peterborough      same


1881 census they are in Clee with Weelsby

ADDED
To know 100% you will need a copy of the marriage certificate.
 
 

[maddys52]

I don't have a subscription, but I think the annoncement was on the 3rd January 1862 "At the chapel, Stamford, Saturday last (by the Rev W. Chauibets[?]) Fredk Joseph Bell, St Martin's to Frances of All Saints ..."

So I think that is the 28th Dec 1861.

[BumbleB]

I finally found the newspaper entry, via FindMyPast

Lincolnshire Chronicle - 3 January 1862 - page 8

At the Wesleyan Chapel, Stamford on Saturday last (by the Reverend W Chambers) Fredk. Joseph Bell of St Martin's, to Frances Ranby of All Saints'.

[LizzieW]

I finally found the newspaper entry, via FindMyPast

Lincolnshire Chronicle - 3 January 1862 - page 8

At the Wesleyan Chapel, Stamford on Saturday last (by the Reverend W Chambers) Fredk. Joseph Bell of St Martin's, to Frances Ranby of All Saints'.

I couldn't find that when I looked, will have another look just for my satisfaction!

[BumbleB]

LizzieW - I just entered Frances Ranby under the "Britain - all categories" and that was the first entry.

[DCB]

Frederick Joseph Bell's first marriage was to Mary Ann Short in Wisbech, Cambridgeshire on 6th July 1848.

Fathers: John Bell and, strangely, Massey Cross. Transcript only.

Mary Ann Bell died in Stamford in 1860, age 38.

1851: Bedford Street, Wisbech St Peters, Wisbech, Cambridgeshire.
Joseph Ball Head Married Male 23 1828 Porter Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire
Mary A Ball Wife Married Female 23 1828 - Ireland

Four children: Elizabeth Ann 1853, died 1854, Frederick Joseph 1854, Mary Ann 1856, died 1858, and George James 1857, died 1858.

David