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Currie birthplace in "Scotland"- where do I start?
« on: Wednesday 14 September 05 00:08 BST (UK) »
I know that my ancester Peter Currie was born in Scotland circa 1822, and that his father's name was John (occupation builder). I'd be very grateful for advice on what to do/ where to go to find out exactly where he was born.
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Re: Currie birthplace in "Scotland"- where do I start?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 14 September 05 00:40 BST (UK) »
Could he be this one?

28/02/1822 CURRIE PETER parents JOHN CURRIE and ANNE FORREST born  ELIE

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/  has  8 Peter Curries born to Johns between 1815 and 1833

I think Elie is in Fife.

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Lindsay
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Re: Currie birthplace in "Scotland"- where do I start?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 14 September 05 05:46 BST (UK) »
Hi Scotresearcher,

Lindsay has made a promising find for you.

You might like to look in the IGI (it's FREE!) at:
http://www.familysearch.org

Not quite as many Peter CURRIEs as Lindsay found but Peter from Elie is there.  Incidentally, for pre-1855 records, the Scottish Church Records CD is more complete - it can be consulted at no charge at LDS Family History Centres.

From the IGI:
Peter CURRIE, b 28 Feb 1822, Elie Fife, parents John CURRIE and Anne FORREST.

The marriage of a John CURRIE and an Anne FORREST in 1806 in Elie is also in the IGI and several children with parents of these names, all Elie:
Agnes b 1807
Anne b 1809
David b 1811
Thomas b 1813
Margaret b 1815
David b 1818
John b 1820
Peter b 1822
Archibald b 1824
William b 1830

Do you have any other information about Peter CURRIE?

JAP

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Re: Currie birthplace in "Scotland"- where do I start?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 14 September 05 16:40 BST (UK) »
Thank you, Lindsay and Jap!

I'm amazed at your quick and helpful responses - I've been staring at his name for months. As you can tell I'm a bit new to this -e.g. I didn't know about the IGI, and am not sure if LDS Family Centres are physical places, or online

I do think you have found exactly the right Peter Currie, born in Elie, as he later called his first son Forest- I was wondering why, but now all is clear. He went on to become a brassfounder and lived in Birmingham.

Now to look up where Elie is on the map (and tackle John Currie and Anne Forrest!).
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Re: Currie birthplace in "Scotland"- where do I start?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 15 September 05 02:47 BST (UK) »
Hello again Scotresearcher,

The LDS Family History Centres are physical places.  Go to FamilySearch at:
http://www.familysearch.org
and read all about FamilySearch.  There are also useful general tips on researching your family history. The home page has a facility to locate the FHC nearest to you.

Here on RootsChat the posts and links at the top of the Beginners Board, and at the top of the Scotland General section are useful.

A good general article is Roy Stockdill's Newbies Guide on GENUKI at:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html

Another site which could be of interest to you is the Fife Family History Society site at:
http://www.fifefhs.org/
It has a site-wide search facility.  I had a quick look for CURRIE and found, in an 1845 railway prospectus, a reference to John Currie & Sons, Builders, Elie.

Have you searched for Peter in all the England & Wales censuses just in case there is one where a more specific birthplace than simply Scotland appears?  If it does, this would be a useful double-check.  You might wish to make a request on the Warwickshire board here.  I see on the 1881 census (available online on FamilySearch) that Peter and family were in Staffordshire, and Forest and family in Birmingham.  Forest George CURRIE was born 1847 (Sep qtr 1847 from the FreeBMD site) in Birmingham so Peter must have been in England by then at least.

If you decide that the Elie people are John's parents, then you can hope that they survived until 1855 (when Statutory Registration began in Scotland) in which case you should be able to get their death certificates on the pay-per-view site ScotlandsPeople at:
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Scottish death certificates are very informative with (if known to the informant) the name and occupation of the deceased's father, and the name and maiden surname of the deceased's mother - so that would get you back another generation.
Death certificates for married women are indexed under both married and (if known) maiden surnames so, if you search for Ann*CURRIE and then for Ann* FOR*EST (probably a good idea to use wildcards), and find two entries in the same year with same reference number you will be pretty sure it is the right Ann(e).

If you are sure these are the right parents, it would also be worth searching the archives at:
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/SCT-FIFE.html
A quick search for
currie and elie
came up with a reference (posted 2005) to a Memorial Inscription in the Elie Cemetery for John CURRIE and Ann FORREST (full inscription and photo available on request to the poster so it would be worth joining the list and posting a request - you'll presumably then find out when they died; you might want all the CURRIE stones in Elie).
There's also a gravestone for Thomas CURRIE and Helen OVERSTONE.
This is surely Thomas (1813), son of John and Ann.  There's the marriage in the IGI in 1836 and the following children - Margaret 1836, John 1839, Walter Ovenstone 1841, Thomas 1843, James 1845, Ann Forrest 1853.

Also in those archives is a post from 2001 with extracts from the 1841 census which includes the family.  Looking for CURRIE in Elie with the same address and reference number (they were at South Street, North Side, ref 3 10) produced (remember, in the 1841 census ages were rounded down to the nearest 5) the following all of whom were born in Fife:
John CURRIE, 60, Builder
Ann CURRIE, 55
Agnes CURRIE, 30
Ann CURRIE, 30
Margaret CURRIE, 25

And finally, if John and Ann followed tradition Scottish naming patterns (1st son after father's father, 2nd son after mother's father, 1st daughter after mother's mother, 2nd daughter after father's father) then John (given his age in the census) might be (from the IGI):
John CURRIE, b 5 Nov bap 6 Nov 1780, parents David CURRIE and Anne ARCHIBALD
Their marriage and more children to them are in the IGI. 

Good luck,

JAP







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Re: Currie birthplace in "Scotland"- where do I start?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 16 September 05 00:22 BST (UK) »
Jap, I'm again amazed and grateful for all this information-  it'll take me awhile to absorb it!

I had found out about Peter Currie in the 1861 and 1881 censuses (censi?)  on the English census returns for Birmingham( he's actually mis-spelt as Gurrie). After your first post I tried ordering a parish register extract on the Scotlands People website, but found it a bit difficult to navigate and understand the charging system.

It's spooky: the thing that started me off trying to find out Peter Currie's exact birthplace was that my first cousin asked me if I knew where our family came from (I didn't), as he'd noticed a lot of Curries in a graveyard when he was visiting people in Scotland. The graveyard was in Elie.

Thanks again
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Re: Currie birthplace in "Scotland"- where do I start?
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 25 October 05 01:56 BST (UK) »
Hello,
Currie's in Scotland - please check the Island of Aaron.  My great great grandfather was Neil Currie and he and his wife Flora Currie came to Canada August 14, 1828.  Neil had many brothers and sisters.  Some of the Currie's also were  from Glasgow.  We are also building the Currie family tree.  My mother's name is Vera Isabelle Currie.  My grandfather was Daniel Currie.  His father was Capt. John Currie and his father was Neil Currie of Aaron.  We have a very interesting history.  Hope this helps.

I am interested in locating as many of the BATE family in England as I can.  Also, Bate - Cameron links, Bate - Stuart links.  Family tree is from Trennick House, Truro, Cornwall.  Also have family crest with the words "Dieu et ma main droite" - we have French Huguenot roots as well.

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Re: Currie birthplace in "Scotland"- where do I start?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 26 October 05 00:10 BST (UK) »
Thanks, sbate, for your suggestion - I've certainly got an open mind as to where my particular Curries came from originally, as they seem to disappear from Elie in Fife as I go backwards in time.

I think the John Currie+Ann Forest suggestion of Jap was right, but they died in 1847 and 1848 (Elie gravestones), so no certificates. I think John's parents were David Currie and Anne Archibald, as Jap says, and have a marriage date of 16/3/1780 for them, but that's as far as I've got so far-

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Re: Currie birthplace in "Scotland"- where do I start?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 12 November 05 01:40 GMT (UK) »
Hello

re John Currie. I am researching the family OVENSTONE and Helen Ovenstone, (the spelling OveRstone on the gravestone is not correct) is on my list and I know a lot about her family.  As far as John Currie is concerned, the following may be of interest, which is taken from a list called -
the Fife Shopkeepers and Traders (1820-1870) - Elie
CURRIE, JOHN (d 1847); wright & builder, Commercial St; listed Pigot (1825 & 1837); d March 28 1847 aged 68; m to Ann Forrest, who d typhus, Jan 12 1848 aged 63, succeeded in business by his son THOMAS CURRIE (b April 8 1813; d Dec 20 1891); he traded under the firm of JOHN CURRIE & SON, emp 8 men in 1851 and 6 men and 2 boys in 1861; Westweed (1862 & 1866) lists him as an Architect & Builder in South St; d Dec 20 1891 aged 79; m Ceb 1836 Helen Ovenstone (she d July 22 1885 aged 75), dau of Walter Ovenstone, shipmaster, Elie; the plant & stock-in-trade of JOHN CURRIE & SON was being adv for sale by roup, Nov 11 1899 (EFR Nov 3 1899).

Hope it helps

GeoffW from Fife