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Missing death certificate
« on: Saturday 28 December 24 18:38 GMT (UK) »
I'm trying to locate a death certificate for Elizabeth Fraser (maiden name Simpson) who married James Fraser on 7/2/1842 in Boness. I found them (plus four children) on the 1851 census but then she was listed as deceased on the marriage certificate of one of her sons in 1862. Her husband had married again in 1858 and was identified as a widower. I did find him on the 1861 census and, due to the age of the children listed, Elizabeth was still alive in 1853. I've tried searching 1853-1858 but no luck. Does anyone have any suggestions? Many thanks.

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Re: Missing death certificate
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 28 December 24 19:27 GMT (UK) »
How old was she in 1851.  What was the name of the child b 1853
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Re: Missing death certificate
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 28 December 24 19:32 GMT (UK) »
Elizabeth is 29 on the 1851 census. The child born is 1853 is also called Elizabeth.

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Re: Missing death certificate
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 28 December 24 19:54 GMT (UK) »
Do you know which parish they were from?
The only likely birth for a child seems to be in Carriden in West Lothian.
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Re: Missing death certificate
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 28 December 24 20:19 GMT (UK) »
I have to admit defeat re any death entry. 

Can't see any birth for Elizabeth either
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Re: Missing death certificate
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 29 December 24 15:27 GMT (UK) »
The parish is Carriden but can find neither a birth or death certificate.

Thanks for trying. I'll add it to my list of mysteries!

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Re: Missing death certificate
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 29 December 24 16:29 GMT (UK) »
Have you tried the Kirk Session records just in case there is a mortcloth payment on 1853 or 1854?
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: Missing death certificate
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 29 December 24 18:17 GMT (UK) »
Thanks - I will have a look.

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Re: Missing death certificate
« Reply #8 on: Monday 30 December 24 21:00 GMT (UK) »
I took a look in the Kirk Session records and found no records available for that time period. (perhaps you would have to contact the parish, itself?).
There is a possibility for a death registered in 1857 in Bathgate, West Lothian for an ISABELLA Fraser, aged 33 (ie. born c. 1824). The age is "close" to your Elizabeth, the time frame would be logical for her widowed husband to remarry in 1858 and Bathgate is only 10 miles from Carriden. Interpretation of "bad handwriting" in the death record could result in Isabella as Elizabeth, in reality.
The only way to check would be to pay and download the image.  Your choice, obviously.