Penelope, Catherine, Elizabeth & Anne MARTIN

[mckha489]

5 Anne - b ? m? d?

Anne is Anna.
Baptised St. Margaret's, Westminster,  23 July 1785

And buried as Anna Martin of Norton House (same as Penelope) in 1839

[hanes teulu]

Adding "Anna" to the 5 posted at #2 it produces 3 sons and 3 daughters - matches the Parliamentary record.

[mckha489]

James senior’s will is also available.

John, Joseph, James, Penelope, Anna & Elizabeth all named.
So the Parliamentary record doesn’t include Catherine. (I think there was just the one Catherine)

[hanes teulu]

The News (London) - 11 Feb 1839

On the 4th inst, at Bredous (Bredon's?) Norton, Worcestershire, aged 53, Anna Martin, daughter of the late James Martin of Overbury.

Worcestershire Chronicle, 5 Feb 1840
Jan 30th at Colwall, Herefordshire,** Penelope Martin, of Bredon's Norton, Worcestershire, eldest daughter of the late James Martin of Overtbury

** at her brother's house

[sft456]

Thanks all for your help

Apologies for being in the wrong County, James being MP for Tewkesbury (only 1 of many Martins), we considered that he had a place there & some kids were b & bap there

An excerp from a History this family

The second son of James and Penelope was Joseph, who got married to Sarah Harrlet, daughter of Robert Hewit, Esquire of Whitehaven and the third son was James who on September 20, 1819, got married to Julia Vignoles, daughter of Reverend John Vignoles, from Portarlington. The daughters of James and Penelope were Penelope, Catherine, Elizabeth, and Anne


James was apparently a friend of William Pitt the Younger, though political opposites & had a house in Downing Street next door. I don't know for how long or any dates

All baps as you say need to be checked

Catherine/Katherine was b 8.6.1781 in Downing St - is that right & bap 6.7.1781 there privately. I did note somewhere (perhaps FS) that she was bap in Worcs Cathedral. Can you tell me where she was bur?

Anna Martin b/bap 22/6/1785 Downing Street d 4.2.1839 Norton House, Bredon, Worcs. Is that a bap or b? Can you tell me where she was bur?

You stated Penelope Martin bap 10/10/1777 d. 27/10/1870, yet also stated was "Her will is on Ancestry. 1840" She was a spinster of Norton House in the parish of Brendon Norton, Worcs. Burial register says Norton House.
Did she therefore d 30.1.1840 Ledbury, Herefordshire (as FreeBMD)? & then bur in Norton?

Bredon has a famous tythe barn, which I once had to survey as a student!

[mckha489]

Catherine/Katherine was b 8.6.1781 in Downing St - is that right & bap 6.7.1781 there privately. I did note somewhere (perhaps FS) that she was bap in Worcs Cathedral. Can you tell me where she was bur?

No record I see has her as Katherine.
No record says Downing Street. Presume that is surmised if it is known their residence at Whitehall at that time was Downing Street.

I didn’t see a baptism in Worcester Cathedral
Just the private baptism 6/7/1781 in a chapel that is very faint on the cert.
Followed by recording it in the Overbury register.

Buried at Overbury.


Added..I don’t see the date of birth specifically mentioned. Just her baptism.

[mckha489]

Same comment re Downing Street for Anna.

She was buried at Bredon Chapelry of Norton, Worcestershire  on 9 Feb 1839

Penelope also buried at the Bredon Chapelry. 6 Feb 1840
And see Hanes’ reply #12

You (We  )have  done a lot of work on this Martin Family.  I presume you do have some of the wills? Many are free at the National Archives

Eg James in 1810

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D202085

[hanes teulu]

BROWNE'SGENERAL LAW LIST FOR THE YEAR 1793

"Tewkwsbury, Glouc. 108 (sat 5d)- M.P. James Martin, Esq, a banker in London; and a Director of the Million bank; Overbury, Glouc. Downing Street"

[sft456]

You (We  )have  done a lot of work on this Martin Family.  I presume you do have some of the wills? Many are free at the National Archives

I began this Tree last year, then returned ro it this year. I have asked the questions I have because, I have for a second time failed to find the answers. The Tree is large with most of it done by me with limited searching facilities, hence my approaching this site for help. I'm not quite sure why you make the comment above?

I have downloaded some of the Wills, not easy to read. This Family were not always keen to subscribe to the Censae which makes it more difficult, These Wills only assist to an extent and don't answer b/m/ dates etc etc

The Obits, Newpaper articles etc are more important to this Family Tree and I have no access to these