1921 Census

[maddys52]

There are a couple of threads on RootsChat that provide a link to discount Ancestry subscriptions - eg
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=832955.0

Currently worldwide subscription of £89-99 for 12 months or a UK premium subscription for £59-99.

[Romilly]

I got sent the half price Subscription offer to my email today and renewed with no problem!

Romilly 😊

[Romilly]

What’s the betting that Ancestry add the 1921 Census to the ProTools sub?

Romilly

[coombs]

Looking forward to the 1921 census on Ancestry. Also I think 2025 will see a lot of Suffolk records put on there as well as the 1921 census.

[craggagh]

I have today accessed the 1921 Census on FindMyPast.

craggagh.

[Gadget]

Initially, FindMyPast charged extra to the sub for each view/download but later included it as part of the annual sub. I wonder if Ancestry will do the same. If so, it might be a better deal to get a short term sub to FindMyPast.

[jusnoneed]

Just read this from WDYTYA Magazine website -  "Although Ancestry would not confirm the origins of their transcription, access given to Who Do You Think You Are? Magazine to a beta version suggests that the company has licensed the transcription from Findmypast. This will be disappointing news to family historians hoping for a new transcription of the census".
 So it seems possibly they have not transcribed it themselves and they are using the FindMyPast transcriptions.
They also say the records will be included in the All UK and Ireland and the All Records subscriptions.

[Gadget]

I prefer FindMyPast to Ancestry any day. I only have Ancestry because of my wandering ancestors and DNA tests.

I didn't have any problems with FindMyPast transcriptions and I always look at the images as well.

[Jon_ni]

Initially, FindMyPast charged extra to the sub .... I wonder if Ancestry will do the same.

No included with standard packages https://www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com/news/1921-census-ancestry

Findmypast had to recoup the digitisation costs hence they had exclusive rights for 3 years and charged pay to view then as an extra, now included in their 'Everything' package (World + newspapers).

https://www.kfhs.org.uk/event-society-report-introducing-the-1921-census-of-england-wales-2022-02-01

Regarding the TNA Royalies mentioned in above link and by Findmypast themselves - I found some background and info online from TNA in response to a FOI.

FindMyPast bore the costs of digitising the 1921 census...The National Archives receives royalties from FindMyPast as part of this digitisation contract.
Due to the size and complexity of the 1921 Census project, some relatively minor costs were incurred by The National Archives which totalled £17,346.54. These relate more broadly to our care of the records and oversight of the project as a whole.
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/about/freedom-of-information/information-requests/findmypast-royalties-and-cost-of-digitisation/

Then in their annual reports (read the introduction then text searched keywords).
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-national-archives-annual-report-and-accounts-2021-to-2022
2021-2022Our partnership with Findmypast.com came to a highly-successful fruition this year with the release of the 1921 Census and we have made substantial returns from licensing and publishing ventures.
We benefitted from the 1921 Census release, accruing an additional £0.9 million in licensing royalties.

Total Operating Expenditure for delivering our remit as the official archive and publisher for the UK Government, and for England and Wales, was £52.8 million. Staff costs amounted to £26.5 million. Total Operating income for the financial year was £13.6 million.
Income from Licensing royalties £3,965,000. Licensing resales £130,000.

2022-2023. They discuss Commercial activity on pages 026 & 027 then income on their pages 097 & 098.
Licensing royalties: Commercial partners use accessioned content on their websites or within their online products. Royalties are due to us when their subscribers use this content, or customers purchase their products.
Licensing resales: Copies of images digitised either by a licensing partner, or by The National Archives, can be resold to another licensing partner or digitisation customer. When sold to another licensing partner, this will be alongside a license to publish and The National Archives will also benefit from future royalties. Revenue is recognised at the point where the images are transferred and the licensing partner obtains control of the right to publish.
2022-23 they received Licensing Royalties of £3,557,000 and Licensing resales £325,000.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-national-archives-annual-report-and-accounts-2022-to-2023

2023-24 The National Archives is largely funded through supply voted by Parliament. We are also partially funded by income generated through fees and charges, our commercial activities, and grants.
TNA respond to a complaint about the charge for the 1921 at the end of their 2023-24 Report (pages 163-164)
Online publication had been a significant project for a team of hundreds of conservators, technicians and transcribers, over three years. The National Archives did not have the infrastructure to do this. The commercial partnership and charging model was therefore essential.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-national-archives-annual-report-and-accounts-2023-to-2024