Griffith Family of Lloftwen, Pengelli, now Coedpoeth - 1851 census?

[CheshireSteve]

It's a very big jigsaw puzzle 

A jigsaw with a lot of pieces missing, especially with the Griffith family. I hoped Mary Griffith (nee Roberts) would be the missing link, but we don't even know if this is the same Griffiths family.

Steve

[CheshireSteve]

My attention has been drawn to the will of John Roberts of Plas yn Vron in Esclusham, drawn up in 1788 and proven in 1800 (date of death appears to be in 1799). In this he states that the lease on the property is for three lives (i.e. runs until the last of three named people die). The named people are the aforementioned John Roberts and two of his sons, Edward and Robert Roberts. Also named is his wife Mary, his eldest son, Thomas Roberts, another son William Roberts, and his daughter Mary now married to John Hughes.

I wondered if John could be another son of Owen Roberts of Holt, but John leaves properties in Hope (to his son Thomas Roberts), and properties in Ruabon (to John Humphreys and Samuel Lindop), with no mention of Holt, so perhaps this is a different Roberts family line.

Plas yn Vron was leased from Ellis Yonge (deceased), of Acton.

[wilcoxon]

http://hdl.handle.net/10107/633325

Will of Samuel Lindop 1800. Cae Glase.

If you go back to reply 69, Cae Glas is mentioned.

I think this might be the Cae Glas up by Bronwylfa.

I'm not finding a positive burial for John Roberts, 1799 none have an age, one in Wrexham,  one in Ruabon but no real use.

[CheshireSteve]

Curious that both wills (John Roberts and Samuel Lindop) were proved on the same day.

I was unable to decipher the place name for Samuel Lindop in John Roberts' will, but you are right, it appears to be Cae Glase. I still can't decode the place name for John Humphreys.

This generosity to other families, Humphreys and Lindop, could be that their wives (Pamela Lindop for example) are John Roberts' sisters.

[wilcoxon]

http://hdl.handle.net/10107/139971

John Roberts will 1800.
So I know where to find it 😉

[wilcoxon]

https://www.rootschat.com/links/01tod/

The Canal. I know about this, some say that it's part of Telfords Ffrwd canal but I don't think it  is.

[wilcoxon]

https://www.rootschat.com/links/01tof/

John Humphreys Canal.

He did make a will.

[CheshireSteve]

So the name is 'Canal' - I thought maybe Canal Inn re-reading the will of John Roberts, I had discounted Canal as being such a strange name for a property.

Although you have found a gravestone for John Humphreys dated 1798, before John Roberts died (although after the date of writing his will), I see in the papers in March 1809 that the marriage was announced between "John Humphreys, Esq, of Canal and Miss Allington of Berse".

Perhaps there was a succession of John Humphreys, fathers naming their first son and heir after themselves, as is often the case.

[wilcoxon]

 X Marriage Bonds.
 X Lindop, Samuel, singleman, Wrexham, Denbighshire to Trevor, Elizabeth, sp., Wrexham, Denbighshire : 1777 Jun 23.

Elizabeth Lindop  burial Date 2 May 1787

X Thomas, John, singleman, Wrexham, Denbighshire to Evans, Pamela, sp., Wrexham, Denbighshire : 1785 Dec. 9.

X Lindop, Samuel, wid., Wrexham, Denbighshire to Thomas, Pamela, wid., Wrexham, Denbighshire : 1790 May 21.