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Offline Malcolm Bull

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Are these 2 Norland chapels the same?
« on: Monday 23 December 24 09:26 GMT (UK) »
Burials at Mount Zion Primitive Methodist Graveyard, Norland are shown in the CFHS CD entitled Halifax Monumental Inscriptions #1, and those at New Longley Primitive Methodist, Norland  are shown in the CFHS CD entitled Halifax Monumental Inscriptions #2.  I have been looking at a couple of Norland families and there seems to be some overlap between the 2 graveyards. With one member of a family being buried at one place, and another member being remembered at the other

Does anyone know if they are different names for the same graveyard? or different sections of the same graveyard?  or completely different?

Any help would be useful.

Malcolm Bull

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Rotherham: Andrews / Steel
Easingwold: Snowball / Potter

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Re: Are these 2 Norland chapels the same?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 23 December 24 09:56 GMT (UK) »
I'd suggest contacting Calderdale Archives to ask them the question  :-\  Or contact CFHS.
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Re: Are these 2 Norland chapels the same?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 23 December 24 10:14 GMT (UK) »
This doesn't directly answer your question, but there were two candidate churches in the area, both with burial grounds.

Here are two map views from 25 inch maps of 1894. The first shows a Methodist Chapel (Free United) with burial ground at Norland Town. The second shows a Mount Zion Chapel (Primitive Methodist) with burial ground at Longley/New Longley.

https://maps.nls.uk/view/125644009#zoom=5.1&lat=7488&lon=8807&layers=BT

https://maps.nls.uk/view/125643997#zoom=4.9&lat=2208&lon=12612&layers=BT

I would say that the names you have quoted both best match the second church.
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Re: Are these 2 Norland chapels the same?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 23 December 24 13:03 GMT (UK) »
There is a good view of the Mount Zion Chapel available through Google Street View. If you open Google Maps and enter this into the search bar:

M3VH+MFX Sowerby Bridge

it will take you to the spot, then switch to Street View.

It's a very small burial ground, but there is a rather prominent memorial stone that can be read from the road indicating that there was a burial as recently as 1975. There is also an old stone sign propped up near the door which says "Mount Zion Primitive Methodist Chapel AD [date]" It looks to me as if the date is 1863.
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Re: Are these 2 Norland chapels the same?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 23 December 24 18:07 GMT (UK) »
Thanks very much, Alan.

I went to Google Maps as you directed, and saw that the Memorial stone identifies the Chapel as Mount Zion Primitive Methodist.  A closer look at the tall grave with an urn on top, reveals that it was the stone of James E. Crabtree who appears in the CFHS collection of MIs at New Longley Primitive Methodist.

So I shall take BumbleB's advice and ask the CFHS about this matter

Thanks again

Malcolm Bull
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Huntingdon: Bull / Shelford
Rotherham: Andrews / Steel
Easingwold: Snowball / Potter

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Re: Are these 2 Norland chapels the same?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 27 December 24 18:24 GMT (UK) »
CFHS told me that they had spotted some duplications between burials at the two chapels, but only recently had they accepted that the two listings of the MIs were attributed to different historians and were published long before CFHS appeared on the scene. 

The CFHS contact said that he will make sure that notification of the situation is announced to the membership.

Thanks to everyone who help unravel this mystery

Malcolm Bull
Surname interests:

Huntingdon: Bull / Shelford
Rotherham: Andrews / Steel
Easingwold: Snowball / Potter