Author Topic: 3rd Dragoon Guards 1825 to 1844  (Read 418 times)

Offline draarcy

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 64
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
3rd Dragoon Guards 1825 to 1844
« on: Sunday 22 December 24 04:40 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,
Researching a William Huntbach (born abt 1808) who was a 3rd Dragoon Guard (joined 1825  #230).  I think born Sandbrook (Sambrook), Salop

Questions I am seeking information/advice on:
1. On a Church Record of a marriage, would it have Dragoon Guard listed as occupation (or just Bachelor or of this parish)?
2. If he was not an officer, is it very unlikely to get records of his wife, children etc.?
3. I think he may have been in Ireland around 1834-1840, would there be any records for this?
4. He may also have been in India around 1841,( death in 1844). Where would records of this part of service etc. possibly be located?

Thanks in advance for any assistance/ information

Online ShaunJ

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 25,289
    • View Profile
Re: 3rd Dragoon Guards 1825 to 1844
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 22 December 24 08:50 GMT (UK) »
1. Could be either
2. Correct. In any case his army records willl have been destroyed long ago as he died in service.
3. Muster books and paylists (if they survive) at National Archives. Also newspapers will have reported  the locations of 3rd Dragoon Guards on a monthly basis (search for Stations of the British Army)
4. The 1841 army "index" places Private William Huntback #230 in Bengal. The 1844 death record is also in the name of William Huntback.  No records are likely to have survived save for muster books and paylists at TNA.
UK Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline tonepad

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,513
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: 3rd Dragoon Guards 1825 to 1844
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 22 December 24 09:10 GMT (UK) »
There are two hits on Ancestry:

All UK, Naval and Military Courts Martial Registers, 1806-1930
results for william Huntbach in Ireland in 1835 and 1836. His regiment has been transcribed as 3 St. Dgns.

Subscription to Fold3 is required to view the original documents.


Tony
Aucock/Aukett~Kent/Sussex, Broadway~Oxfordshire, Danks~Warwickshire, Fenn~Kent/Norfolk, Goatham~Kent, Hunt~Kent, Parker~Middlesex, Perry~Kent, Sellers~Kent/Yorkshire, Sladden~Kent, Wright~Kent/Essex

Offline Andy J2022

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,168
    • View Profile
Re: 3rd Dragoon Guards 1825 to 1844
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 22 December 24 09:16 GMT (UK) »
1. After the passing of George Rose's 1812 Act, parishes were supposed to use printed registers to record baptisms, marriages and burials, and in the case of a marriage the occupation of the groom was supposed to be included. However as far as the exact wording is concerned, it would probably depend on what he told the priest and what the priest decided to record. This might be as short as 'soldier' or 'trooper' or might include his regiment.

2.  As far as I can see his service record does not appear to have survived. If he had died while still serving, it was normal to destroy a soldier's record as it was no longer required for pension purposes. If it had survived, his wife might be recorded if she was formally recognised by the Regiment. This meant that she was allowed to live in the barracks with her husband (and children) and to be moved as part of the regiment when it deployed to other stations overseas. The children are unlikely to have been recorded.

3.  The 3rd Dragoon Guards were deployed as follows over the period:
June 1816 Ireland
1829 England
1834 Ireland
1837 England
1843 Ireland
They don't appear to have gone to India until August 1857 following the Indian Mutiny. However as Shaun has said he is recorded as being with the 3rd Light Dragoons in Karaul, Bengal in April 1841.
Also as Shaun says, the best source for exactly where the regiment and its detachments were positioned would be the the pay and muster rolls held at the National Archives.  These were compiled monthly and usually show exactly where each individual soldier was. They would also provide clues as to whether his wife was 'on the Regiment' (ie officially recognised) because of the pay and allowances William would have been paid. The rolls have not been digitised and so are not available online. You would need to visit TNA or arrange for someone to examine the relevant entries for you. The muster rolls are in the  following series: WO12 / 207 - 217, covering the period 1823 -1847.

4. He was buried on 29 April 1844 in Kussowlie, Bengal.


Offline Andy J2022

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,168
    • View Profile
Re: 3rd Dragoon Guards 1825 to 1844
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 22 December 24 09:35 GMT (UK) »
In view of the 1841 Army Worldwide Index entry, I think you have got the wrong designation for his Regiment and hence I have given you the wrong deployments above. He would appear to have been with the 3rd (The King's Own) Regiment of (Light) Dragoons
Here's what Wikipedia says about that Regiment, which fits with him being in India:
Quote
The regiment was renamed the 3rd (The King's Own) Regiment of (Light) Dragoons in 1818. It served in Ireland between January 1820 and June 1822 and between March 1826 and April 1829. It was dispatched in India in July 1837 and, having moved on to Afghanistan, saw action at the Battle of Kabul in September 1842 during the First Anglo-Afghan War. It fought again at the Battle of Mudki and at the Battle of Ferozeshah in December 1845 and at the Battle of Sobraon in February 1846 during the First Anglo-Sikh War. It then went on to fight at the Battle of Chillianwala in January 1849 and the Battle of Gujrat in February 1849 during the Second Anglo-Sikh War. The regiment was renamed the 3rd (The King's Own) Hussars in 1861. It was posted to India in 1868, [and] was back in England in 1879
Assuming this is the correct Regiment, the muster roll references given above are now incorrect.

Online ShaunJ

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 25,289
    • View Profile
Re: 3rd Dragoon Guards 1825 to 1844
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 22 December 24 10:53 GMT (UK) »
Extract from a "Stations of the British Army" report for January 1841:

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/image-share/a6ad6329-1e9e-4c38-830a-d2ef19f63aed

As you can see, 3rd Dragoon Guards and 3rd Dragoons were different regiments. Your man was in 3rd Dragoons.
UK Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline draarcy

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 64
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: 3rd Dragoon Guards 1825 to 1844
« Reply #6 on: Monday 23 December 24 06:56 GMT (UK) »
Thank you to everyone for your time & assistance.  Now to research the 3rd Dragoons.  Thanks again