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F V H NEWICK & F M TAYLOR Leicestershire Regiment
« on: Wednesday 18 December 24 22:27 GMT (UK) »
I would like to try & trace my 2 grandfathers in their spell in the Great War

Frederick Victor Harcourt NEWICK b 1897 Loughboro', enlisted 1914 in the Leicestershire Regiment, but had to re-enlist poss in 1915 due to not being 18 - rank unknown but probably Private - survived. I did once see a poss Sqeak & Alfred, but they are now probably lost

Frederick Mark TAYLOR b 1888 Leicester, conscripted in @July 1916 (married with a dau at the time) Leicestershire Regiment, sent to Salonica - rank I think Quarter Master Sergeant - demobbed probably 1919 - survived. I recall my late father once telling me that his father had been mentioned in dispatches

Can you help?

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Re: F V H NEWICK & F M TAYLOR Leicestershire Regiment
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 19 December 24 00:35 GMT (UK) »
It doesn't look as if either if their service records have survived.  As you may be aware approximately two thirds of all the records of First World War soldiers were destroyed in a fire during WW2 following a bombing raid. However the records of the medals they received should have survived but I haven't found them so far. Assuming they both went overseas they should have got the British War Medal and Victory Medal (Squeak and Wilfred, not Alfred). I am surprised that Frederick Mark Taylor was promoted to Colour Sergeant - the rank of someone holding the appointment of Company Quarter Master Sergeant - in just three years. It's not impossible for him to have done so, however I would suspect he may have had some prior Army experience, maybe in the Territorial Force or Militia before the war started, for such rapid promotion.

According to the Long, Long Trail website, which can usually be relied on as very accurate, none of the Leicestershire Regiment's battalions were sent to Greece during WW1. The only one which went anywhere other than France or the UK was the 2nd battalion which spent the latter part of the war in Mesopotamia and Palestine. It is of course possible that although he enlisted into the Leicesters, Frederick Mark Taylor was transferred to another regiment. As far as I am aware the only British troops who took part in the Thessaloniki Expedition were the 10th (Irish) Division, whose infantry were mainly Irish or Canadian Regiments, with the only English battalion being the 10th Battalion of the Hampshire Regiment.

There is a militia attestation in the Leicester Regiment dated 13 Nov 1880 for a Frederick Mark Taylor of 42 Dorset Street Leicester, a shoe finisher aged 17 years and 9 months. Could this have been his father?

The only Frederick Newick entries I found referred to a Gunner Newick of 301 Siege Battery Royal Garrison Artillery who received the British War Medal and Victory Medal.

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Re: F V H NEWICK & F M TAYLOR Leicestershire Regiment
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 19 December 24 18:19 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks for your reply Andy

Yes I am aware that 2 thirds were destroyed by German bombing incl I believe the 1931 C (complete)

Frederick Mark Taylor was, as I wrote, b 1888 so 28 when he enlisted. He was a Solicitor's Managing Clerk for a firm of solicitors in Leicester. He d in 1966, but I was too young to ask "What did you do in the Great War....." Perhaps Mesopotamia and Palestine were his fighting groumd. Anyway, if he did fight, he was back at his desk in @1919/20 and back with the Tigers as their scrum half in 1921 Season

What about the Leicestershire Regts archive (if one exists), would they know?

"Fred" Newick, I have several photos of in his battledress - with the foxes badgem but no dates, so really of little help


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Re: F V H NEWICK & F M TAYLOR Leicestershire Regiment
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 19 December 24 18:50 GMT (UK) »
The rapid promotion is not unusual so he may just have been a great soldier.

If you can post the photos there may be clues in the uniform.


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Re: F V H NEWICK & F M TAYLOR Leicestershire Regiment
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 19 December 24 23:35 GMT (UK) »
Reading the newspaper reports of the Tigers, F M Taylor seems to have been known as "Tim" Taylor.
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Re: F V H NEWICK & F M TAYLOR Leicestershire Regiment
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 21 December 24 10:16 GMT (UK) »
Reading the newspaper reports of the Tigers, F M Taylor seems to have been known as "Tim" Taylor.

He was, read Wiki

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Re: F V H NEWICK & F M TAYLOR Leicestershire Regiment
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 21 December 24 11:55 GMT (UK) »
There is a Frederick Victor Newick in the Leicester Absent Voters at 8 Victoria Avenue [Leicester South Polling area] He is shown as 141879 Gunner, 301 Siege Bttery RGA
Two other Newicks at the address are William Henry and Louis Wilfred Gladstone
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Re: F V H NEWICK & F M TAYLOR Leicestershire Regiment
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 21 December 24 12:21 GMT (UK) »
Courtesy of the Long, Long Trail website here is a list of the deployments for 301 Siege battery.

However Chris Baker (author of the LLT) says this, referring to the index cards: "I must point out that I have often found errors and omissions in the dates given. For an accurate picture including the locations and activities of the batteries, consult the war diary of the Heavy Artillery Group or Commander Heavy Artillery of the Corps concerned."

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Re: F V H NEWICK & F M TAYLOR Leicestershire Regiment
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 21 December 24 13:40 GMT (UK) »
There is a Frederick Victor Newick in the Leicester Absent Voters at 8 Victoria Avenue [Leicester South Polling area] He is shown as 141879 Gunner, 301 Siege Bttery RGA
Assuming this is the same man as the OP's grandfather, then his Army number has probably been misrecorded on the electoral register, since there is a medal index card for Frederick Newick RGA with the number 141789, showing that he was awarded the Victory and War medals, just as the OP claimed to have seen.
Numbers in the series 141590-142100 were allocated to men of the RGA who had transferred in from Infantry Regiments (information courtesy of the Long, Long Trail website).