Florence Gerrell, supposedly born in Byker c1892

[softly softly]

Is this possibly Louisa in 1891 census?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WJW7-SMM

SS

Yes that looks like her - I thought that had already been mentioned but maybe not
fiddlerslass mentioned her being in Gateshead

What brought Louisa  from London to Gateshead?

I thought that question was asked as 1901/11 census record pob as London

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[jonwarrn]

Not only Boo, but anyone who uses Rootschat  - I shared what I'd found back in 2019
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=818277.msçg6801663#msg6801663

and using that I can see that Section O grave 425 is on 3 films (different dates and I haven't sussed out which are consecrated and which are not)
the entry that contains Philip Curtis Renwick's entry
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1L-43W2-G?cat=828351&i=672

Wow, thanks Boo. Good to know you are keeping an eye on things!
I don't recognize any of the other names in Philip's grave, never mind.

Thank you again for the "key" to the Elswick graves registers. You really deserve some kind of Rootschat special award for that monumental work, but I'm not sure there is one!

[JenB]

Not only Boo, but anyone who uses Rootschat  - I shared what I'd found back in 2019
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=818277.msçg6801663#msg6801663

and using that I can see that Section O grave 425 is on 3 films (different dates and I haven't sussed out which are consecrated and which are not)
the entry that contains Philip Curtis Renwick's entry
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1L-43W2-G?cat=828351&i=672

Wow, thanks Boo. Good to know you are keeping an eye on things!
I don't recognize any of the other names in Philip's grave, never mind.

Thank you again for the "key" to the Elswick graves registers. You really deserve some kind of Rootschat special award for that monumental work, but I'm not sure there is one!

I have given myself a sharp telling off, as I had downloaded Boo’s ‘key’ for future reference then forgot that I’d done so.
I’ll try not to let it happen again 

[jonwarrn]

I didn't know we could download it, but it is certainly very useful to have.

Just mention that in 1891 in Ridley Court in Newcastle there is an Eliz. Gerrol, 26, single, born Norfolk Lowestoft.
Lodging in a household of five female domestic servants, headed up by a 19 year old!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HSHS-FPZ

Lowestoft is actually in Suffolk, but anyway it's perhaps kind of plausible that the surname in 1891 is near the mark as it's mainly in Suffolk and Norfolk that I have been able to find a few Gerrells! Not that it leads to Elizabeth (or a Florence) of that age from there.

[mckha489]

I’ve been looking at her.
Also in Gateshead in 1891 is Walter W. GERRELL born Lowestoft. He is a bricklayer

But I haven’t managed to make it work yet.

His mother was Elizabeth GERRELL who married Samuel William Barber KING
So  Walter and his sister Hannah  are sometimes KING
Elizabeth said her father was William Gerrell, a bricklayer.

GERREL, WALTER  WILLIAM WRIGHT    - 
GRO Reference: 1864  M Quarter in MUTFORD AND LOTHINGLAND  Volume 04A  Page 748

GERREL, HANNAH  ELIZABETH     - 
GRO Reference: 1865  D Quarter in OF MUTFORD AND LOTHINGLAND  Volume 04A  Page 658

Could Hannah have reinvented herself as Florence?  I don’t see her after that 1891 entry.

[jonwarrn]

Intriguing, mckha!

[JenB]

Not something I usually do....but I was so consumed with curiosity about this one that I got the pdf of Louisa Renwick's death cert.

This revealed that she was the widow of Andrew Renwick 'a ship captain'.

Her middle name was Beatrice. The informant was her son Philip Renwick.

One other item of interest: the school admission register for Louisa's son Alfred, who was with her in 1891 shows that he was admitted to the school on 13th November 1890 and that his date of birth was 23rd September 1882 (the 1891 census states his birthplace as London St Luke). Residence was the same as in the 1891 census, 16 Snowball Terrace, Gateshead.

[Silverhawk]

Not something I usually do....but I was so consumed with curiosity about this one that I got the pdf of Louisa Renwick's death cert.

This revealed that she was the widow of Andrew Renwick 'a ship captain'.

That would seem to preclude the Andrew Philip Renwick that was found being her husband, as he was a railway stationmaster. Pity, as the middle name seemed to fit the scenario that was building.

It's a little odd that none of the things she says about herself can be backed up with documentation.

One other item of interest: the school admission register for Louisa's son Alfred, who was with her in 1891 shows that he was admitted to the school on 13th November 1890 and that his date of birth was 23rd September 1882 (the 1891 census states his birthplace as London St Luke). Residence was the same as in the 1891 census, 16 Snowball Terrace, Gateshead.

St Luke's was in the Holborn district. There's 62 matches for Alfreds in that district in the third and fourth quarters of 1882. That's assuming she kept the same first name.

[fiddlerslass]

Find my past has 3 merchant navy records for an Andrew Renwick. Unfortunately I no longer have a subscription so can't see if any are captains.