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Florence Gerrell, supposedly born in Byker c1892
« on: Tuesday 10 December 24 17:12 GMT (UK) »
Currently researching the family of a friend, but his grandmother is giving me problems. I can't find hide nor hair of her before her marriage and have tried every tip and trick I know to no avail. Hoping a fresh pair of eye might see something I haven't?

She's on the 1921 census under her married name, Florence Urwin, living in Chester le Street. Her age is given as 29 and her birthplace as Byker, Newcastle. By the time of the 1939 register her husband Thomas has died and she's at Chester Moor, employed as a housekeeper by a John Richardson. Three of her kids are with her. Her birthdate given there is 31 Mar 92. She married this John Richardson in 1941. Can't see an appropriate death entry in the indexes at the moment, there are about half a dozen possibles in County Durham alone, but I'm not concerned about this at present. It's going backwards that has me stumped.

Her marriage certificate in 1912 gives her age as 20, so this 1892 birthdate seems to be pretty consistant. She was married in the parish church of Benwell (not sure which church this is, there seems to be three of them in Benwell: St James, St Aidan and St John the Baptist), her address is given as 31 Elm Street (it looked like "Elan Street" at first, but finding no matches on Google with that name I thought the 'an' might be an ornate 'm') and her father, "John Gerrell (deceased)". I know Elm Street used to be on the right hand side of Elswick Road as you're heading west, roughly where Iceland is now.

I've searched the 1911 and 1901 censuses and can find no promising matches, not even something that looks like a maybe. The closest I can see is a family called "Gorrill" living in Jesmond in 1901 and Monkseaton in 1911. That Florence is slightly younger than she should be, not an obstacle. However she's also born in Morecambe, Lancashire and her father is Edward, not John. That pretty much puts a full stop on that avenue. There is nothing promising in the GRO birth index either. I've tried all sorts of spellings and wildcards, eventually reducing the search to "G?r*l". Nada.

If anyone has any ideas, I'd love to hear them.
Ancestral names: Lewis, Watson, Hetherington, Barclay, Clark, Regan, Hunter, Murray, Robson, Todd, Carney, Comerford, Urwin, Rayson, White, Purves, Biggins, Wilson, Gibson, Graham, Curry, Kennedy, Greenlaw, Waldie, Armstrong, Hodgson, Harle, Wild, Monkhouse, Donald, Allen, Bowie, Cowe, Ogilvie, Barnes, Pattinson, Williamson, Hogg, Denholm, Kirkwood and Hewitt

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Re: Florence Gerrell, supposedly born in Byker c1892
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 10 December 24 18:00 GMT (UK) »
I searched freebmd for Gerrell and the only other instance seems to be this marriage.

Marriages Dec 1914   
Gerrell    Violet M    Reed    Newcastle T.    10b   145   

REED    Albert    Gerrell    Newcastle T.    10b   145

Could she be a sister to Florence. It may be worth splashing out on the certificate to see,if there are no other leads.
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Re: Florence Gerrell, supposedly born in Byker c1892
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 10 December 24 18:03 GMT (UK) »
Violet's birth reg shows she was illegitimate.  Violet May Gerrell b Dec qtr 1893 Gateshead 10A 925
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Re: Florence Gerrell, supposedly born in Byker c1892
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 10 December 24 19:02 GMT (UK) »
I searched freebmd for Gerrell and the only other instance seems to be this marriage.

Marriages Dec 1914   
Gerrell    Violet M    Reed    Newcastle T.    10b   145   

REED    Albert    Gerrell    Newcastle T.    10b   145

Could she be a sister to Florence. It may be worth splashing out on the certificate to see,if there are no other leads.

I saw this, but can't find Violet on the censuses either. I considered the mother may be unmarried and looked up women with the surname marrying after the birth but before the 1901 census. Zip.

Edited to add: I also did a census lookup for the "Florence Gerrel" who died in Newcastle in 1894 age 29, which would make her born circa 1865. Nothing promising there either.
Ancestral names: Lewis, Watson, Hetherington, Barclay, Clark, Regan, Hunter, Murray, Robson, Todd, Carney, Comerford, Urwin, Rayson, White, Purves, Biggins, Wilson, Gibson, Graham, Curry, Kennedy, Greenlaw, Waldie, Armstrong, Hodgson, Harle, Wild, Monkhouse, Donald, Allen, Bowie, Cowe, Ogilvie, Barnes, Pattinson, Williamson, Hogg, Denholm, Kirkwood and Hewitt

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Re: Florence Gerrell, supposedly born in Byker c1892
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 10 December 24 20:41 GMT (UK) »
Have you tried "J"
Her children
William John 1913, Henry 1917 and Albert 1922 mother's maiden name Jerrell

Lilian 1914, Thomas 1919 mother's maiden name Gerrell

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Re: Florence Gerrell, supposedly born in Byker c1892
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 10 December 24 21:06 GMT (UK) »
She was married in the parish church of Benwell (not sure which church this is, there seems to be three of them in Benwell: St James, St Aidan and St John the Baptist), her address is given as 31 Elm Street

Probably nothing to do with anything!
Florence Renwick, 17, was there in 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWMQ-7J4

1901 census, Florence, 8
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS9S-9MN

Not entirely sure of her birth (probably not the South Shields one in 1891), or what happened to her.
Mum Louisa / Louise may have died in 1914? (Newcastle Evening Chronicle, 10 Nov)

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Re: Florence Gerrell, supposedly born in Byker c1892
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 10 December 24 21:18 GMT (UK) »
I was trying the same route

Have you looked at 31 Elm St Benwell in 1911?

Florence Renwick b c1892

Mother Louisa is a widow - however she's also a widow in 1891 before Florence was born. Not finding it easy to find births for Florence or her brothers.



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Re: Florence Gerrell, supposedly born in Byker c1892
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 10 December 24 21:41 GMT (UK) »
Mum Louisa / Louise may have died in 1914? (Newcastle Evening Chronicle, 10 Nov)

Renwick, 31 Elm Street, Benwell, on the 8th inst,. Louisa beloved wife of the late Andrew Renwick. Interment Elswick Wednesday. Lift 2.30. All friends kindly invited
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Re: Florence Gerrell, supposedly born in Byker c1892
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 10 December 24 22:17 GMT (UK) »
Renwick, 31 Elm Street, Benwell, on the 8th inst,. Louisa beloved wife of the late Andrew Renwick. Interment Elswick Wednesday. Lift 2.30. All friends kindly invited

Well done, Jen.
Could Philip be Philip Curtis Renwick, died Newcastle, Sep qtr 1935, age 50? :-\
Might be a marriage for him in 1920, no obvious birth. There is a possibly illegitimate Philip Curtis birth registration in South Shields in March 1885. Don't know if it might be the same person!

Philip Curtis Renwick is in the Elswick Cemetery index, buried 7 August 1935. Don't think we have a burial register to look at on FamilySearch.
Grave ref is O / 425. Only Boo has the key to the burial graves registers!!
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