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Re: Caroline Elizabeth Simpson (later YATES)
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 08 January 25 22:13 GMT (UK) »
Here is a death notice for Charles Edward SIMPSON who died 2 January 1886 aged 27 - however it doesn't mention a wife or family, only that he died at his father's residence.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13608327

There is this advertisement for a benefit for the widow of Charles E SIMPSON and infant son in Feb 1886, so I think it probably is the correct family.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/111190024

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Re: Caroline Elizabeth Simpson (later YATES)
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 08 January 25 22:17 GMT (UK) »
This looks like Caroline's birth in 1859:
Caroline E BRYANT registered at Bathurst (4723/1859), parents- Thomas and Catherine.

Another child born to the couple at Bathurst (prior to registration - so most likely a baptism record)

1854  Rachel BRYANT (4705/1854 V18544705 42B) - the code on the Index is "CW" - C of E, Abercrombie District, Bathurst.

1855  Rachel BRYANT (2358/1855 V18552358 72) code "LG" - Roman Catholic, Bathurst; Kelso; St Michael's, Co. Bathurst

Not sure why there are the 2 registrations - I can't see a death for a Rachel BRYANT, unless it has something to do with baptisms in different denominations - not sure.  :-\

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Re: Caroline Elizabeth Simpson (later YATES)
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 08 January 25 22:31 GMT (UK) »
I have to go out now so can't continue looking, however there are some mentions of Thomas BRYANT in BAthurst on trove, including this notice in 1852 - mentions he is from "Kilfore", Co Clare and a sister Bridget and has a relation Darby BRYANT from Lisheen.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/62519297  (4th column, near the top)

Also an advertisment as a butcher in 1854:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/62054608  (3rd column, middle)

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Re: Caroline Elizabeth Simpson (later YATES)
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 09 January 25 04:40 GMT (UK) »
Looks like the witness you have mentioned could be a sister to Caroline
Marriage
 
John MULEEN
Sarah A BRYANT
3428/1885
At Waterloo, New South Wales.

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Re: Caroline Elizabeth Simpson (later YATES)
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 09 January 25 05:59 GMT (UK) »
Just in confirmation of my above post.

The marriage certificate is viewable at
Sydney Anglican Parish Records.

John MULLEEN was born either Tasmania or Scotland (!!) and aged 26. A brickmaker of Nth Willoughby His father was James and mother Mary MANNNING

Sarah Ann BRYANT was born in Bathurst and aged 21 of Summer Hill Her father was Thomas BRYANT a butcher and mother Kate MACQUIRE.

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ADDING

Rachel BRYANT whom Maddy has mentioned,  married William PARKER in Bathurst in 1873 (#1829)

On the certificate of marriage between Sarah and John MULEEN, Rachel PARKER is a witness.
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Re: Caroline Elizabeth Simpson (later YATES)
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 09 January 25 08:08 GMT (UK) »
A disturbing mention of Thomas and 11 year old Sarah Ann BRYANT in 1876:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/252088740 (near the bottom of the column)

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/18804165 (last paragraph)

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/18806271 (in the middle) - acquitted

If this is the correct family, it seems his wife had died before 1876.

Possibly this death registered at Bathurst:
Catherine BRYANT (4988/1875) aged 43 years. No parent's names given on the index.

Not sure who the step-daughter mentioned is -  "Caroline YOW", possibly meant to be YEO.

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Re: Caroline Elizabeth Simpson (later YATES)
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 09 January 25 08:33 GMT (UK) »
I'm not sure - there are birth registrations in Bathurst for children of Thomas and Catherine BRYANT:
 1854/5 Rachel
1859 Caroline)

Then there is a marriage of Thomas BRYANT to Celia/Cecilia MAGUIRE at Bathurst in 1860.

Thomas and Celia have children at Bathurst:
1862 (unnamed male)
1864  Sarah A
1868  John H (died 1871)
1871 (unnamed) - possibly John Henry - died 1936

So are Catherine and Celia the same person, and they didn't marry until 1860 (interesting to see what the marriage certificate says). Or are they 2 different wives - though I can't see a death for "Catherine" and Sarah Ann says her mother's name is "Kate" and Caroline's mother's maiden name of Quinn or MacQuinn could conceivably be MAGUIRE :-\

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Re: Caroline Elizabeth Simpson (later YATES)
« Reply #16 on: Friday 10 January 25 03:47 GMT (UK) »
One Possibility -- May or may not be the same woman.

 Celia  MAGUIRE arrived in NSW as an assisted immigrant in 1850. per vessel Panama. Single.
She was b. County Mayo and aged 18. Could not R&W and was a house servant .
Her parents were Michael and Sarah both dead.

No relations in the Colony.

Her sister Jane aged 14 travelled with her and could read and write.  Also a house servant.

** It would be good to see a clip of the bits of Caroline's certificate that you cannot read, Frances.
The names which are indecipherable. ;D

As a matter of interest.  The other witness on the NSW marriage of Sarah Ann BRYANT to MULEEN, was William J . SOMERVILLE.

Rachel who was witness 1 and mentioned, married him in 1885.
930/1885
SOMERVILLE William j
PARKER Rachel
At SYDNEY

I have not quite found what happened to PARKER.
I think there were more chn.

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Re: Caroline Elizabeth Simpson (later YATES)
« Reply #17 on: Friday 10 January 25 06:54 GMT (UK) »
I think Thomas BRYANT died in Forbes.

1892. Reg 5203
BRYANT Thomas
F. George
M. Rachel
At Forbes

He is buried at Forbes Cemetery
Death 20 October 1892
Unmarked grave.

He had been in Forbes from at least 1886 and in that year attempted to contact two of his daughters through newspaper advertisement.
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