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Who was Sarah Henry or Gracey??
« on: Saturday 07 December 24 13:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi, I'm interested in these people listed in the 1901 Irish Census:

1901 Irish Census: 11 Gaffkin Street, Belfast, Antrim:
Sarah Henry family head Presbyterian R&W 60/1841 widow B Co Down.
Eliza Henry daughter Presbyterian R&W 28/1873 Weaver cotton single B Co Down.

Robert Henry son Presbyterian R&W 36/1865 Yarn-dresser married B Co Down.
Susan Henry daughter in law Presbyterian R&W 30/1871 Weaver cotton married B Co Down.
Minnie Henry grand daughter Presbyterian R&W 10/1891 Scholar single B Co Antrim.
Susan Henry grand daughter Presbyterian R&W 8/1893 Scholar single B Co Antrim.
Sarah Henry grand daughter Presbyterian R 6/1895 Scholar single B Co Antrim.
Lilly Henry grand daughter Presbyterian 4/1897 single B Co Antrim.
Florance Henry grand daughter 2/1899 single B Co Antrim.
James Henry grand son Presbyterian 6months/1900 single B Co Antrim.

This Robert Henry I believe married Susanna/Susan Davison/Davidson in 1886 Belfast. His father on the marriage record was a Waltham Henry. They are listed on the 1911 Irish Census living at 17 Eccles Street, Shankill, Antrim, with their 11 children, But Robert is calling himself Robert Samuel Henry...

I believe I have found Sarah Henry his mother and Eliza Henry in the 1911 Irish Census:

1911 Irish Census: 19 Orkney Street, Shankill, Antrim:
Eliza Henry head of family Presbyterian R&W 45/1866 Damask Weaver single B Co Down.
Sarah Gracey mother Presbyterian 76/1835 single B Co Down.

Sarah Gracey died in 1918 at 8 Orkney Street, Belfast aged 84/1834. There are two records (one crossed out) which indicate she may have been the widow of a W Gracey.  The informant was a Susan Henry of 33 Eccles Street.  I have not found her burial.

S Gracey was the informant at two of the births of Robert & Susan Henry: Mary Jane/Minnie in 1890 and Anne Elizabeth/Lily in 1897.

Some of Robert & Susan's children emigrated to the USA in the 1920's.

I cannot find any trace of Eliza Henry; nor Robert and Susan Henry.  Maybe they went to USA also?

The best birth record I can find for Robert Henry is this:

1864 Irish Birth: Pontzpas, Newry, County Armagh: Page 921/02318578 No.89:
Twenty Second November 1864 Kilrea  Robert Wilham?  male  Fa John Henry, Farmer, Kilrea  Mo Sarah Henry formerly Dillon  informant John Henry Kilrea Father  registered May Third 1865.

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Re: Who was Sarah Henry or Gracey??
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 07 December 24 14:25 GMT (UK) »

1901 Irish Census: 11 Gaffkin Street, Belfast, Antrim:
Sarah Henry family head Presbyterian R&W 60/1841 widow B Co Down.


The URL link for reference-
House 11 in Gaffikin Street (St. George's Ward Belfast, Antrim).
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__George_s_Ward_Belfast/Gaffikin_Street/955649/
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000309419/


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Re: Who was Sarah Henry or Gracey??
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 07 December 24 15:42 GMT (UK) »
Paul,
I think you can discount this Robert Henry

The best birth record I can find for Robert Henry is this:
1864 Irish Birth: Pontzpas, Newry, County Armagh: Page 921/02318578 No.89:
Twenty Second November 1864 Kilrea  Robert Wilham?  male  Fa John Henry, Farmer, Kilrea  Mo Sarah Henry formerly Dillon  informant John Henry Kilrea Father  registered May Third 1865.

1901 census http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Poyntzpass/Kilrea/1037389/
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Re: Who was Sarah Henry or Gracey??
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 07 December 24 19:49 GMT (UK) »
This is a bit confusing.
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Sarah Gracey died in 1918 at 8 Orkney Street, Belfast aged 84/1834. There are two records (one crossed out) which indicate she may have been the widow of a W Gracey.  The informant was a Susan Henry of 33 Eccles Street.  I have not found her burial.
S Gracey was the informant at two of the births of Robert & Susan Henry: Mary Jane/Minnie in 1890 and Anne Elizabeth/Lily in 1897.

Firstly, the first record for the death of Sarah Gracey (widow) was crossed out and changed to spinster-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1918/05174/4427923.pdf
Secondly, in 1901 Sarah Henry is a widow but should surname not have been Gracey rather than Henry?

I am, so far, unable to find a marriage for Sarah to anyone named Gracey (or similar).

Looks like 'daughter' Susan Henry was actually Sarah's daughter-in-law.
Susanna Henry of 33 Eccles St. died 14 Mar.1934.
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=8227.10961
Robert Samuel Henry, same address, died 12 Dec.1939.
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=8277.17072
Elizabeth Henry, age 91, or 8 Orkney St., died 9 Mar.1957.
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=8611.4495
One other burial in plot (click on plot link).
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Re: Who was Sarah Henry or Gracey??
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 07 December 24 19:55 GMT (UK) »
Belfast Telegraph, 16 Mar.1934: HENRY- March 14, 1834, at her residence, 33 Eccles Street, Susanna, beloved wife of Robert Henry. Funeral from above address on to-morrow (Saturday), at 2-3- for interment in Dundonald Cemetery.
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« Reply #5 on: Saturday 07 December 24 19:59 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Who was Sarah Henry or Gracey??
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 07 December 24 20:00 GMT (UK) »
There are newspaper snippets - April/May/July 1865 re an assault case where Sarah Gracey is mentioned along with others.

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Re: Who was Sarah Henry or Gracey??
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 08 December 24 13:48 GMT (UK) »
Hello and thanks for all the help and info.

That James Henry buried in 1972 appears to be Robert and Susan's son.  He actually went to USA with his sister Adelaide in 1927, and I can see him on the 1930 US Census in Richmond NY.  He must have come back to Ireland.  It looks like Adelaide married in 1932 to James Tripoli.

This might be Eliza Henry's birth:

1866 Irish Birth Record: College? No.4, Belfast, County Antrim: Page 358/02286835 No.180:
Twenty Eighth December 1866 Belfast Work house  unknown  female  Mo Sarah Gracey  informant J Watt Master of the Belfast Work house  registered Fourth January 1867.

Though I see on the 1901 & 1911 Census she was born in County Down...
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Re: Who was Sarah Henry or Gracey??
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 08 December 24 17:15 GMT (UK) »
This might be Eliza Henry's birth:
1866 Irish Birth Record: College? No.4, Belfast, County Antrim: Page 358/02286835 No.180:
Twenty Eighth December 1866 Belfast Work house  unknown  female  Mo Sarah Gracey  informant J Watt Master of the Belfast Work house  registered Fourth January 1867.
Not sure of your source for that birth but the actual registration book only says the child is female. Sometimes a note will be added with name of child but not in this case.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03501/2286835.pdf
College, also called Belfast district No.4, is the sub-registration district.
Here's some details about Belfast Workhouse-
https://www.workhouses.org.uk/Belfast/
I wouldn't worry about census record saying born in County Down since Belfast sits in both Antrim and Down.
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