Need help with a brickwall please

[Ann Baker]

Hi All

Where to start with this one 🙂 One of my brickwalls.
My 4 x gt grandmother is Ann Young (She married William Mair - sometimes mis-spelt as Muir - 5th March 1830 in Cambuslang. The Mair family were all coal miners for many generations.
Ann Young was baptised on 6th April 1801, Barony Glasgow. Her parents were Peter Young and Christian Shedden. Now onto the difficult bit....

I'm trying to find out the following things :
1. The date of birth of both Peter Young and Christian Shedden. I know they married 14th August 1796 in Barony, Glasgow.
2. I'm also trying to trace both sets of parents. I recently did a search on other folks trees on Ancestry and for Peter the suggested parents are James Geddes Young and Anne Campbell. For Christian James Shedden and Agnes Short. There's a lot of trees have this.
So why am I questioning it? Mainly because I can't find a thing that substantiates this and also I don't just copy other folks stuff. I always check and confirm and to cut to the chase I can't.

Anyone got any suggestions how I may be able to verify this info?

[Neale1961]

Peter Young and Christian Shedden. Marriage 1796. Banns read in Barony and in Dalry.
So who was from Dalry (Ayrshire) – Peter or Christian ?
What information is provided on both marriage documents that might give you some leads?


Peter Young and Christian Shedden - Children baptised in Barony
Jean 1797
Janet 1799
Ann 1801
Christian 1803
Marrion 1805
Margaret 1807
James 1809
Marrion 1812
Elizabeth 1814

I recently did a search on other folks trees on Ancestry and for Peter the suggested parents are James Geddes Young and Anne Campbell.
For Christian James Shedden and Agnes Short. There's a lot of trees have this.

There looks to be lots of copying from each other, and no sources on those Ancestry trees. It looks like they have jumped at the first record they can find and assume it is correct.
Peter and Christian do not name any of their numerous daughters, Agnes, so I would be very doubtful about parents being James Shedden and Agnes Short.

If Christian came from Dalry (you need to check the marriage) then maybe the baptism there in 1775 was her.

Do you have a death for either Peter or Christian, and age at death?

There is a Christin Sheddon (age 50)  burial 1826 in Glasgow. Have you looked at & rejected it?

In the next generation, have a look for surnames given as middle names, which might link back to grandparents etc.

[Ann Baker]

Hi

Yup the naming converntion which they seemed to be very rigid about just doesn't fit. Phew! Glad it's not just me But annoyingly they didn't give middle names for the most part

The death I can't make my mind up. It's not conclusive and it's at odds with 1841 census but then... The 1841 shows a Peter and Christian both aged 60 with a daughter Elizabeth. Their youngest daughter was indeed Elizabeth but for all 3 of them the ages can't be right even with rounding.

I can't find anything conclusive to say she was born in Ayrshire and as pit families did move about a wee bit she could just as easily not have been.

I seem to remember putting this away about 15 years ago because it made my head hurt and I didn't have Ancestry then .

[Neale1961]

Peter Young and Christian Shedden. Marriage 1796. Banns read in Barony and in Dalry.
So who was from Dalry (Ayrshire) – Peter or Christian ?
What information is provided on both marriage documents?

[Ann Baker]

Not a lot. Just the usual banns info.

On hers says 'Peter Young in Barony Parish Glasgow to Christian Sheddan in this parish booked 7th August' .

On his says 'Peter Young Coalier in this parish and Christian Shedden in the parish of Dalry' 14th August.

There are 2 sets published as was customary where the bride and groom lived in different parishes

[Neale1961]

The 1841 shows a Peter and Christian both aged 60 with a daughter Elizabeth. Their youngest daughter was indeed Elizabeth but for all 3 of them the ages can't be right even with rounding.

 1841 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a14dd3df4040b9d6ee2f790/peter-young-1841-lanarkshire-rutherglen-1781-?locale=en

Relationships are not recorded - but seems unlikely to be a daughter. Maybe a grand-daughter?
Their daughter Elizabeth would be aged 27.

Why do you think this Peter and Christian are yours? I would be suspicious with those ages.
What occupation does Peter have on the baptisms of his children?

[Neale1961]

Not a lot. Just the usual banns info.

2 very important bits of detail - it tells you that Christian was from Dalry, and Peter was a miner.

[Ann Baker]

I don't think they're mine. I don't see how they can be. This is part of the problem.

If it was correct it would mean they were both 15 (or possibly younger) when they got married. I know possible but pretty unusual

[Ann Baker]

Not necessarily. She lived in Dalry when they got married but doesn't mean she was born there