Looking for Elizabeth Crick Hartley and William Hartley (Queensland 1867)

[rosie17]

I couldn't find any family either for Elizabeth and Joseph it's a possibility she did die elsewhere if they travelled a lot .But as Sue said you would have thought she would have been mentioned in Newspapers

Rosie

[giblet]

No help just posting since i come across it.


Leader
Sat 27 Mar 1875

WEBSTER—LATTA - At the house of R. B. Lockhart (uncle to the bride), 21 St. Vincent-place south, Albert Park, Melbourne, on the 3rd March, by the Rev. D. S. M'Eachran, Captain J. Webster, late of the barque Birchgrove, to Miss E. B. Latta, eldest daughter of Alexander Latta, Esq., Ballinakill, near Ferns, county Wexford, Ireland.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/197934547

[sparrett]

That is possibly a quite clever wording to describe the bridegroom's origins.

It is basically giving his origins as the last vessel he was on.
Do we get a hint of deception

I wonder what the full certificate would give as marital status and his birthplace.
Sue

[giblet]

I was hoping there might have been an obit for Joseph that would state his first marriage but nothing. Just articles on his death and his death is registered in NSW, there is a will / probate online in VIC archives. I had a quick read on the off chance it might have mentioned kids who may have been born from his first marriage but again nothing. I know it's not him we are looking for but most well post it as it could come in handy for someone else one day maybe.

Article about his death
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/12786587

Funeral notice
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/14762830

Burial
https://rookwoodcemetery.discovereverafter.com/profile/26429942

[shanreagh]

Here is some information about the barque 'Birchgrove'
 
https://www.environment.gov.au/shipwreck/public/wreck/wreck.do?key=6010

http://sunderlandships.com/view.php?a1PageSize=100&a1Order=Sorter_name&a1Dir=DESC&a1Page=86&ref=158036&vessel=BIRCH+GROVE

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ST18781210.2.3.4?items_per_page=100&query=rignold&sort_by=byDA

On this latter, from 1878, the barque was in Bluff NZ bound for  Malden island

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malden_Island
Kiribati or part of the former  Gilbert and Ellice Islands
It was the site of guano deposits
NB after the second marriage.

[shanreagh]

Birchgrove was in the Cape (presumably Capetown) in 1872 reporting from the diamond fields


https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WEST18720827.2.7?end_date=31-12-1878&items_per_page=100&query=barque+birchgrove&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1865.

I am sure back in the mists of time i searched a NZ Govt reference for a list of merchant marine staff...from the AJHR.  Or a list of mariners anywhere? Does anyone know?

[giblet]

AND finally got something  Tho not sure how to check if she infact died there or on the ship or she may not have died.
They married September so dates would fit.

The Queenslander
Sat 5 Oct 1867

CLEARANCES.
October I.—Courier, ketch, 34 tons, Captain Webster, for the South Sea Islands, in ballast. Passengers: Mrs. Webster, Messrs. B. Brubn and J. Pearson.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/20315413

[shanreagh]

Aha he wasn't a yacht courier but Master of the yacht 'Courier'

[shanreagh]

Looks like the ketch Courier came from the South Sea islands to Brisbane on 3/9/1867

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/1287069

I wonder if the Capt Webster and Elizabeth Hartley met somehow on the way out...ie a stop by HMS Samarang at the same time as the ketch Courier was in a port,  or they met before the Samarang left for Australia.

The special licence could have been because there was no time for banns due to imminent departure of Capt Webster on the Courier in early October 1867.