Looking for Elizabeth Crick Hartley and William Hartley (Queensland 1867)

[rosie17]

Elizabeth Crick Hartley /Webster seems to have vanished 
Several trees has a second marriage for her husband Joseph Webster
1875 Victoria Australia to Elizabeth Bruce Latta
But nothing on Elizabeth Crick Hartley

Rosie

[FrancisGrn]

Wonderful work guys, thanks so much! That is definitely my man William Hartley. I've tracked the 'Lily Morris' mentioned in the article to be Lilian Juanita Hartley, who is fairly well documented. Still can't find anything on Elizabeth Crick Webster. I assume she must have died 1867-75, but no paper trail as of yet
FG

[giblet]

Still can't find anything on Elizabeth Crick Webster. I assume she must have died 1867-75, but no paper trail as of yet

Sarah A death certificate IF filled out correctly should state all her children and if they are deceased it usually states that. Could be worth a try and see if anything is noted for Elizabeth C.

HARTLEY SARAH A
3811/1883
Father  - WILLIAM
DIED NEWTOWN
NEWTOWN

[rosie17]

Still can't find anything on Elizabeth Crick Webster. I assume she must have died 1867-75, but no paper trail as of yet

Sarah A death certificate IF filled out correctly should state all her children and if they are deceased it usually states that. Could be worth a try and see if anything is noted for Elizabeth C.

HARTLEY SARAH A
3811/1883
Father  - WILLIAM
DIED NEWTOWN
NEWTOWN

Think that would be the best thing to do

Rosie

[FrancisGrn]

Will do this. Thanks again for the great work!

[sparrett]

Hi Francis.

I would like to mention that the marriage of Elizabeth HARTLEY to Joseph WEBSTER was extremely prompt after the arrival of the HARTLEY family in Australia. From what I can see, it was a matter of a few weeks.

It is therefore likely that it was arranged from/in England in advance and under the arrangement, took place immediately after they arrived in QLD. Probably Joseph came in advance.

I note after that date and the associated public announcements about it, there is a gap in sightings of Joseph WEBSTER until he turns up in Victoria in the mid 1870's and then has a married life and children with Elizabeth Bruce LATTA until his drowning death in 1906.

It is possible the Webster/Hartley couple left the country during that missing period and something happened to Elizabeth.

The WEBSTER/LATTA  marriage certificate would tell a good deal about the man. $22 download upon electronic payment.

VIC  :Marriage
LATTA Elizabeth Bruce
WEBSTER Joseph
748 / 1875


The HARTLEY clan seem to have all moved to NSW rom Brisbane within a year or two of their Australia arrival.

This includes the ANTILLs, John Gage ANTILL of St Andrew St signed a petition in Balmain in 1869.
Sue

[shanreagh]

 from Sparrett
'I note after that date and the associated public announcements about it, there is a gap in sightings of Joseph WEBSTER until he turns up in Victoria in the mid 1870's and then has a married life and children with Elizabeth Bruce LATTA until his drowning death in 1906.'

I noticed that the marriage announcment Hartley/Webster noted that he was a 'yacht courier'.  If this is the same occupation as today these were sailors who moved yachts by sailing them (for other people)  from summer moorings to winter hard or from place to place say in Australia if the yacht was sold or even across the world.  if Elizabeth went with him she may have died in a place other than Australia or place other than NSW or Queensland in Australia.

[sparrett]

Yes, I have been thinking along those lines.
However the odd thing is that (if she died) there is no death notice for her in Australian papers. Not that I can see anyway.

The marriage was announced in may papers and over a few days, so one has the impression that it was much approved of by the family.  You would think if there was a youthful death, wherever it took place, there would have been a notice placed by her siblings in Australia.

Anyhow, there might be clues in certifcates as mentioned.

Sue

[giblet]

I can't find any births that appear to be from the Webster / Hartley marriage neither.