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Searching for JAMES DICK, a riveter in Glasgow
« on: Wednesday 27 November 24 16:12 GMT (UK) »
Hello, Everyone!
This is a longshot, but I am trying to help a cousin locate information on his paternal grandfather.
My cousin's father was born in Sheppey, Kent, in 1918. His mother was 20 years old, unwed and came down from her home in Glasgow to have the child. On the birth certificate it lists the father as James Dick and his occupation as a riveter. We assume that James was a riveter on the Clyde and that he was about the same age. Since Sheppey also had dockyards, we don't know if James also came south or not.
The child, my cousin's father, was given his mother's maiden name and not the last name of Dick. This is sensitive for my cousin as he also has the same last name, so I don't want to print that on this forum.
I am having a hard time locating this James Dick among the many, many James Dicks in the Glasgow area around the 19-teens.
My question is: does anyone know of a riveter at the Glasgow dockyards around 1918 named James Dick or would anyone have any suggestions to help with this search? I have Ancestry but haven't yet made a connection there and until we can find more information on James, it may be a waste of money and time to search through Scotlandspeople.
Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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Re: Searching for JAMES DICK, a riveter in Glasgow
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 27 November 24 16:55 GMT (UK) »
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My cousin's father was born in Sheppey, Kent, in 1918. His mother was 20 years old, unwed and came down from her home in Glasgow to have the child. On the birth certificate it lists the father as James Dick and his occupation as a riveter. We assume that James was a riveter on the Clyde and that he was about the same age. Since Sheppey also had dockyards, we don't know if James also came south or not.

An unmarried father's name could only be entered on the birth certificate if he was present at the time the birth was registered. So he must have come south with her.

The birth was indexed on the GRO under both surnames since both appeared on the birth certificate.
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Re: Searching for JAMES DICK, a riveter in Glasgow
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 27 November 24 17:00 GMT (UK) »
Thank you so much for that information, JenB!
Just that bit of information is extremely welcome.
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Re: Searching for JAMES DICK, a riveter in Glasgow
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 27 November 24 17:07 GMT (UK) »
Is it definitely the case that she came south to have the baby? What is the evidence?

Might she have been living there already - in which case he might not have been from Glasgow but a local lad?
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Re: Searching for JAMES DICK, a riveter in Glasgow
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 27 November 24 17:31 GMT (UK) »
My cousin, who lives in a different country than I do, has the birth certificate.
We wonder that also and I am still searching for proof. However, she did go back to Glasgow with the child, and he was raised with her family.
So, it doesn't seem to have been something that the family wanted to hide although my cousin's father told him he spent much time w/ his maternal grandmother which makes me wonder if he became a false 'adopted' child.
I have looked for marriage records, but again, there are more than one with both surnames. However, the child was raised under his mother's maiden name, so we doubt there was a marriage. I'm still searching for a marriage record just in case.
Maybe James died or just left.
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Re: Searching for JAMES DICK, a riveter in Glasgow
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 27 November 24 17:33 GMT (UK) »
1921 census has a James Dick living in Sheerness, Sheppey.

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His possible birth going by details in 1921

Births Mar 1897   
Dick    James        Wandsworth    1d   722

DICK, JAMES    mother's maiden name FERRIS 
GRO Reference: 1897  M Quarter in WANDSWORTH  Volume 01D  Page 722

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Re: Searching for JAMES DICK, a riveter in Glasgow
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 27 November 24 17:37 GMT (UK) »
OH! How wonderful!
Does it show his age?
I do not live in the UK and could not find a census there in Sheppey w/ that name on Ancestry.
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Re: Searching for JAMES DICK, a riveter in Glasgow
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 27 November 24 17:39 GMT (UK) »
Thank you. That helps tremendously.
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Re: Searching for JAMES DICK, a riveter in Glasgow
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 27 November 24 17:40 GMT (UK) »
The 1921 census yet isn't available on Ancestry.

We aren't allowed to do 1921 census look-ups, sadly, but I can say that this chap wasn't a riveter in 1921.
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