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Re: George OLLIFFE ca 1825
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 27 February 25 12:52 GMT (UK) »
It's a wonderful tree, and I'd love to accept it, but I'm having difficulty verifying any of the details using FindMyPast and F-S.
BENNETT, DAW, DYER, GARLAND, LEAT, SNELL, Devon
CONDY, DREW, GOLDSWORTHY, GONINAN, PENHALURICK, ROWE, TIPPET, WASLEY, Cornwall
NEWMAN, PERRIN, Gloucs
EVANS,  Hereford
BAKER, Somerset
RICHARDS, Brecknock
FRANCIS, Glam
ALBAN, Carmarthen
WILLIAMS, Gower

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Re: George OLLIFFE ca 1825
« Reply #19 on: Friday 28 February 25 09:45 GMT (UK) »
Find My Past and Family Search probably aren't the first places I'd start searching for Irish records, although I have sometimes found the newspaper on FindMyPast useful.

Had another look at that family tree, in particular the start of it with Robert Olliffe and wife Lydia. I then cross-checked the details of Robert's family from records on Irish Genealogy (both civil and church records)- details confirmed in red.

Robert Olliffe (1785-1845) m. Lydia Maria Seymour (1781-1862)
Death: Lydia Olliffe 1862 (age 71) Whitechapel dist.
1. William (1812-1877 Dublin) m.(1849 Cork) Elizabeth Hornibrook
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1849/09367/5392179.pdf (baker, father Robert, wool comber)
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1877/020532/7205074.pdf
     a. Sarah Anne (c1853) https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/view/?record_id=35f0da5162-7968
     b. Elizabeth (c1855) https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/view/?record_id=35f0da5162-8629
     c. Charlotte (c1858) https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/view/?record_id=35f0da5162-9429
     d. William Henry (c1859) https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/view/?record_id=35f0da5162-9962
2. Anne (1815-1817)
3. Benjamin (1817-1827)
4. Robert (1819-1881) m.(1843 Cork) Mary Farmer (1825)
5. George (1821-1884) m.(1851 Cork) Thomasina Good (1833)
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1851/09403/5406341.pdf (railway constabulary, father Robert, wool comber)
6. Lydia Seymour (1824-1895 Mass.) m.(1850 Cork) Peter Williams
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1850/09387/5399961.pdf (father Robert, farmer)
Death: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FH8P-QFS?lang=en (parents- Robert Olliffe & Lydia Seymore)
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/180643035/lydia-seymour-williams
7. Elizabeth (1825-1893)
8. Thomas (1827)
9. Susan (1828-1829)
10. Edward (1831-1891 Cork) m.(1854) Mary Ann Good
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1854/09464/5429432.pdf (age 22, father Robert, farmer)
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1892/06040/4720415.pdf
Cork Constitution, 31 Dec.1892- funeral to Brinny

This might be something you want to make a note of in case you can later make a connection-
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/271110969/john-oliffe
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Re: George OLLIFFE ca 1825
« Reply #20 on: Friday 28 February 25 23:26 GMT (UK) »
That's a heck of a lot of work! Thank you for your time and effort.

I already have #4, marriage of Robert to Mary FARMER, and #5, marriage of George to Thomasina GOOD, but the rest is all new to me.

Thank you again.
BENNETT, DAW, DYER, GARLAND, LEAT, SNELL, Devon
CONDY, DREW, GOLDSWORTHY, GONINAN, PENHALURICK, ROWE, TIPPET, WASLEY, Cornwall
NEWMAN, PERRIN, Gloucs
EVANS,  Hereford
BAKER, Somerset
RICHARDS, Brecknock
FRANCIS, Glam
ALBAN, Carmarthen
WILLIAMS, Gower

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Re: George OLLIFFE ca 1825
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 06 March 25 10:10 GMT (UK) »
aghadowey

According to the Family Tree:-

Robert Olliffe (1785-1845) m. Lydia Maria Seymour (1781-1862)

I've just looked at the PR record dated 31 Mar 1850 of the marriage of Lydia Seymour OLLIFFE to Peter WILLIAMS which was witnessed by her father, Robert, who'd been dead for 5 years!

I don't usually attach much significance to burials, but this instance only adds to my hesitation to accept the veracity of this 'tree', much thought I should like to accept it.
BENNETT, DAW, DYER, GARLAND, LEAT, SNELL, Devon
CONDY, DREW, GOLDSWORTHY, GONINAN, PENHALURICK, ROWE, TIPPET, WASLEY, Cornwall
NEWMAN, PERRIN, Gloucs
EVANS,  Hereford
BAKER, Somerset
RICHARDS, Brecknock
FRANCIS, Glam
ALBAN, Carmarthen
WILLIAMS, Gower


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Re: George OLLIFFE ca 1825
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 06 March 25 10:45 GMT (UK) »
No, that's not what the marriage says-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1850/09387/5399961.pdf
Lydia's father was Robert Olliffe and the witness was a Robert Olliffe but it doesn't say that the witness was her father. The witness is likely to be her brother Robert.
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Re: George OLLIFFE ca 1825
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 06 March 25 11:18 GMT (UK) »
O K - that makes sense
BENNETT, DAW, DYER, GARLAND, LEAT, SNELL, Devon
CONDY, DREW, GOLDSWORTHY, GONINAN, PENHALURICK, ROWE, TIPPET, WASLEY, Cornwall
NEWMAN, PERRIN, Gloucs
EVANS,  Hereford
BAKER, Somerset
RICHARDS, Brecknock
FRANCIS, Glam
ALBAN, Carmarthen
WILLIAMS, Gower

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Re: George OLLIFFE ca 1825
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 22 March 25 09:57 GMT (UK) »
The 'Tree' discovered by Aghadowey lists 10 children of Robert OLLIFFE, and I've been working my way through them in the hope of finding information on Robert's wife. Nothing until:-

6. Lydia Seymour (1824-1895 Mass)

Taking this to mean that she died in Massachusetts in 1895, and knowing that she married Peter WILLIAMS, I searched for a death record and found:-

Lydia Seymour (Olliffe) Williams
       birth 24 May 1824 Ireland
       death 14 Jun 1895 Quincy, Mass
       daughter of Robert and Lydia (Seymour) Olliffe
       wife of Peter Williams
       married 31 March 1850 Inishcarra, Cork

Ticks all the boxes!
BENNETT, DAW, DYER, GARLAND, LEAT, SNELL, Devon
CONDY, DREW, GOLDSWORTHY, GONINAN, PENHALURICK, ROWE, TIPPET, WASLEY, Cornwall
NEWMAN, PERRIN, Gloucs
EVANS,  Hereford
BAKER, Somerset
RICHARDS, Brecknock
FRANCIS, Glam
ALBAN, Carmarthen
WILLIAMS, Gower

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Re: George OLLIFFE ca 1825
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 22 March 25 11:16 GMT (UK) »
That's the death I linked in reply #19   ;)
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Re: George OLLIFFE ca 1825
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 17 April 25 09:04 BST (UK) »
Hello,

Much of the information you have been referring to on Family Search has been provided by me and you'll see that I almost always provided a 'Source' with image along with the information I attach, and you'll see my username 'smacguf' where I do. I would be leery of accepting information you find on Family Search without 'Source' information provided, particularly by "Phyllis Hobbs_1'. I have had communication with Phyllis to request source information for many dates she has attached to this Olliffe family tree and her reply to me was "I don't know". That said, some of the dates are actually quite fitting, however I don't accept these until I see where they've come from, even if that happens to be family notes, such as old bible entries, notes on old photos etc..

The key to learning more about Robert Olliffe and Lydia Maria Seymour I believe will be within the Brinny Parish Transcripts, which are currently held in Dublin if I remember correctly. These transcripts are NOT available online unfortunately at this time.

George Olliffe and Thomasine Good are my 2nd great grandparents through my biological father, who was an Olliffe and I have been tracing this family since the early 2000's. I have much more, but speculative information regarding Olliffes (also Oliffe, Olive, Auliffe etc.) from areas surrounding Brinny, such as 'Little Silver' (Kilbrogan parish), Kilpatrick (Brinny), Clashanimud (Brinny) and Lissanisky (Knockavilly parish).

As mentioned in this thread there are a number of Olliffes found in the St. Finbarr's parish transcripts with dates that are also very fitting. Unfortunately there is little evidence to verify a connection. I've noted that there is a small part of St. Finbarr's parish that is separate from the main parish in Cork City and that is within close proximity to Brinny and Knockavilly parishes.

I'd love to hear from anyone researching this Olliffe family who wishes to collaborate, share or even debate findings.

Shawn