John Hill Coffee House Keeper Shoreditch 1832 East End History

[J.J.]

So nice of you to do all that, bbart!
Sadly, I was hoping it might be the same family, moving up in the world, but appears not...as I looked for many various spellings & just found these...a son for and death of your ancestor. Sadly, in a workhouse.

- John Lifelet Hill  b. 1833,  Middlesex
- 1841 as Liflett Hill - Mary & 3 children https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQV7-MWH
- Death  HILL, LIFELET  age 43  GRO Ref : 1848  Dec Quarter WHITECHAPEL UNION 
- a John Lifelet Hill  (GRO-mother Mdn name Watkins)  Birth Reg 1864 Whitechapel, London, Eng

[bbart]

It was a good thought, JJ.   The vast number of Hills is not helping!

Highlights of the will of John Hill, died 1932

John was a coffee house keeper
His sister, Elizabeth Mary Hill, was given all interests in the business at 189 Church St., Shoreditch
His mother is ...Ann Hill got the Garden Terrace... see clip now which is the next part, and has addresses and   a Hannah Matilda (is that her last name at the start of the next line, which looks like "Warrant"?)

After the clip, it goes on to:
Sister Mary Ann Hill also got interests in Garden Terrace, but no idea of this is the same home as his mother (I think it is)

He has a brother Charles that got some kind of apparel.
Any residuals went to his mother, Ann.
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In 1838,  Albion Coffee house, a "Superior Ale House" to be let as there was a sudden death in last tenant's family. No names were given, so not sure if still with Elizabeth Hill.
Source: Morning Herald (London)   04 October 1838

In 1840, 189 Church St, Shoreditch was the Albion Coffee House, run by George Martin and his wife.
Source: Bell's New Weekly Messenger  01 March 1840  plus many other papers as someone tried to murder them....

[Littlebn20]

Thank you SO much! This is so amazing. I genuinely appreciate your interest and work on this. You know what it is like to find out new information when you have been researching for years.

There are definitely some siblings of Eliphalet here as the addresses match. Very interesting on the Sophia marriage record too. Sophia is not someone that I have heard of before, so this is incredibly useful. 

I am pretty confident now that Mr Coffee House Keeper is nothing to do with my family, although as some point Eliphalet was a Coffee Roaster, he was also a Bricklayer, how bizarre.

I would have thanked you earlier, but i suspect that we may be on separate time zones.

Please know that I have so much gratitude for all that have helped xx

[AlanBoyd]

Where was the Albion Coffee House, 189 Church Street, Shoreditch?

This continues from my replies #12 and #13.

We know (reply #28) that John Hill's will of 1832 refers to 189 Church Street. We also know that newspaper items from 1838 and 1840 refer to 189 Church Street as the Albion Coffee House. The 1840 item relates to the attempted murder of George Martin of the Albion Coffee House, and it is clear from reading the account of the case that he lived on the premises.

In the 1841 census there is a George Martin, coffee house keeper at Church Street in the parish of St Leonards, Shoreditch (this is Shoreditch/Holywell and Moorfields/ED1). This entry is embedded amongst entries in High Street, Shoreditch and Old Cock Lane (renamed to Boundary Street by 1876) and including places just off High Street that are labelled on the map linked below (Jane Shore Court, New Inn Passage, Byde's Place) or are present in that same area on John Rocque's map of 1747 (Hare Court/Hair Alley, and Cock Alley).

Also note that on the linked map a boundary (dashed line) runs down the centre of Boundary Street until it reaches Church Road/Bethnal Green Road where it dog legs into York Street. I think this must mean that the Albion Coffee House was likely located somewhere at the western end of Church Road. I was tempted to suggest that it might correspond to the PH marked on the corner with Shoreditch High Street on the linked map: however in the 1910 valuation survey this is a public house at 64 Shoreditch High Street but there is nothing in the description to suggest that it might be a particularly old building. Also there are newspaper items that refer to Church Road addresses up to 195 and 196, so the coffee house was presumably not at the very end of Church Road.

Finally, I suggested in my reply #13 that the Albion would have been located at the eastern end of Church Street based upon the fact that the numbering in 1910 runs from west to east. If #189 was actually at the western end as I am suggesting here, then there must have been a renumbering. Related to this, John Roque's map shows that at that time (1747) the Church Street on the 1856 Town Plan (see link in reply #12), starting at High Street, consisted of: Canning Alley running as far as Cock Lane [Boundary Street]; then was a continuation of Cock Lane up to Club Row; then New Cock Lane as far as Tyssen Street/Brick Lane; then Church Street for a short distance up to the junction with Satchwell Rents when it ran into open countryside. Thus it is possible that, as the whole stretch to the west became part of Church Street, the numbering ran from the original Church Street in the east all the way to Shoreditch High Street. Perhaps when Church Street was truncated by Bethnal Green Road it was renumbered from the High Street end. And then at some point it became Redchurch Street.

This is a link to the 1876 25 inch OS map:

https://maps.nls.uk/view/103313000#zoom=5.6&lat=2126&lon=6803&layers=BT

[J.J.]

Sorry, AlanBoyd, that we made it such a long read since your last posts...Although I have been mapping many coffee houses, locations etc. from several replies, and they are a pretty walkable circle of just 1.5 hrs...We are pretty sure now that there is no direct family line link to the coffee house owners. He was in the trade, though...so you never know if a kind relative may have helped him out by giving him a job as coffee roaster. Times were so tough back then, and lives were short. Sadly, having died in a workhouse, he would have nothing to leave & no will to trace family. 

Map of some approx. locations mentioned in posts
 (w. approx. Flower & Dean & Castle Place on right near their church)
https://maps.app.goo.gl/xxKk3BLwyaoKpFbC6

 Littlebn20, missing something...when was he a bricklayer?

[AlanBoyd]

Well, hopefully, in some distant future, someone else will be interested in the Albion Coffee House.

Added: I’m too late to modify #30, but I now realise that the boundary for which Boundary Street (formerly Cock Lane) was named and as shown on the linked map is the parish boundary between Shoreditch (to the west) and Bethnal Green (to the east). Thus references to Albion Coffee House, Shoreditch mean that it would be expected to lie to the west of the boundary, which is what I concluded from other evidence.

[Littlebn20]

Sorry, AlanBoyd, that we made it such a long read since your last posts...Although I have been mapping many coffee houses, locations etc. from several replies, and they are a pretty walkable circle of just 1.5 hrs...We are pretty sure now that there is no direct family line link to the coffee house owners. He was in the trade, though...so you never know if a kind relative may have helped him out by giving him a job as coffee roaster. Times were so tough back then, and lives were short. Sadly, having died in a workhouse, he would have nothing to leave & no will to trace family. 

Map of some approx. locations mentioned in posts
 (w. approx. Flower & Dean & Castle Place on right near their church)
https://maps.app.goo.gl/xxKk3BLwyaoKpFbC6

 Littlebn20, missing something...when was he a bricklayer?

I think that he was a bricklayer on the 1841 census in Flower & Dean Street. He was certainly a Coffee Roaster on a marriage certificate. I will try to track it down!

[Littlebn20]

Well, hopefully, in some distant future, someone else will be interested in the Albion Coffee House.

Such excellent research and I feel as if I have learned something

[J.J.]

   You aren't really a beginner on the site anymore, so you could be posting in the known regions. Also I note you've have had help on some this family on other posts as well, which isn't a sin, as we all forget...but a simple use of the "search" in the header panel above using your username & surnames to be searched would find an appropriate thread on which to continue to post for more information
  There's also very little old information left on Google anymore that you could also use the same keywords for results on Rootschat as it's always been a very popular site (as are most genealogy sites, thank goodness!)
   Queries re: Eliphalet, etc
 https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=866609.0