Author Topic: John Hill Coffee House Keeper Shoreditch 1832 East End History  (Read 1794 times)

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Re: John Hill Coffee House Keeper Shoreditch 1832 East End History
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 20 November 24 15:00 GMT (UK) »
Yes, I agree. Thank you again. I just need to try and find out if he is anything to do with my Eliphalet Hill. Needle + Haystack = the rest of my afternoon  ;D

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Re: John Hill Coffee House Keeper Shoreditch 1832 East End History
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 20 November 24 15:01 GMT (UK) »
Local area in 1746
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Surnames include: FRANCIS in Glamorgan / LANWORN in Monmouth / BLACKMAN, RUSSELL in Sussex / KEARSEY, BARLTROP in Essex / TOOKEY in Leicestershire / LASHMORE in London and Kent / GOODWIN, PASQUE, ATTOE, FISK, QUINTON, RUFFLES, CULLINGFORD and others in Suffolk / MAYOSS anywhere anytime! / GILMORE in Belfast

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Re: John Hill Coffee House Keeper Shoreditch 1832 East End History
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 20 November 24 15:04 GMT (UK) »
It is fascinating. I note that the street was re-numbered at some point, I wonder why?

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Re: John Hill Coffee House Keeper Shoreditch 1832 East End History
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 20 November 24 18:14 GMT (UK) »
re: the initial post

How did you decide that the Church Street location is the Spitalfields Church Street, now Fournier Street? There was another Church Street a little to the north which is perhaps a better candidate, particularly if it has to accommodate addresses including number 189.

https://maps.nls.uk/view/229949405#zoom=5.9&lat=1587&lon=4812&layers=BT

This Church Street seems to correspond in part to the modern Redchurch Street, running east from Shoreditch High Street but it continued further. By the time of the 1876 large scale town plan it isn't labelled as separate from Bethnal Green Road.

added: I should have said, the map is the large scale town plan of 1856.
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Re: John Hill Coffee House Keeper Shoreditch 1832 East End History
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 20 November 24 18:27 GMT (UK) »
I just had a look at the 1910 valuation survey map, hoping to find some hints.. The section of the road running from Shoreditch High Street as far as the modern junction with Bethnal Green Road is still labelled as Church Road at that time, with addresses up into the 90s. This end point corresponds approximately to the junction with Rose Street/Swan Street on the older map that I linked to above, so presumably #189 was further east.
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Re: John Hill Coffee House Keeper Shoreditch 1832 East End History
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 20 November 24 18:57 GMT (UK) »
@AlanBoyd - I think that I researched it on Google to match Church St with Fournier St. I would say that I found it a bit tricky to understand the logistics though and probably lazily accepted the first answer.

I do remember looking at the map and thinking that the location was extremely close to New Castle Street, which was the address on my Eliphalet's baptism records. I am trying very hard not to 'make it fit'. There is some logic to it, but some of the elements are questionable re John Hill and no wife/children named in the will.

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Re: John Hill Coffee House Keeper Shoreditch 1832 East End History
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 20 November 24 19:03 GMT (UK) »
In case this helps

Northampton Mercury   31 December 1825

BEDFORDSHIRE
MAGPIE INN, WOBURN

John Hill, of the Cross Keys Inn, Saint John Street, London, begs leave most respectfully to inform the Public and particularly Commercial Gentlemen, that he has purchased and entered upon those commodious premises known as the Magpie Inn, at Woburn, long established as a most respectable commercial Inn and Travellers' House, in which , by strict attention and supplying Articles of the very best Quality, he trusts he shall merit a Continuation of their Favor and Support.
John Hill cannot omit the present Opportunity of offering to his numerous Friends and Customers at the Cross Keys Inn his unfeigned Thanks for their Favors and hopes to receive the same during the Remainder of his Time in that House.
N.B. John HIll intending to remove from the Cross Keys to the Magpie his extensive Stock of [unreadable] flavoured old Wines, of very superiour uality, he will be enabled to supply his Friends and the Public upon moderate Terms.

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Re: John Hill Coffee House Keeper Shoreditch 1832 East End History
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 20 November 24 19:11 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for sharing this. How interesting, his will definitely  paints him as a Coffee House Keeper, but seems more like an Inn Keeper really?

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Re: John Hill Coffee House Keeper Shoreditch 1832 East End History
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 20 November 24 19:12 GMT (UK) »
Having said that, his will was from 1832, so had perhaps moved about a bit!