Thomas Richard Morgan (1820-63) - farmer in Dolfor.

[St Gregory]

Hi. I’m new here. From his gravestone I know that my great great grandfather was born in 1820 and died of consumption in 1863 when he was buried in Newtown.

I also know that his son Edward Morris Morgan was born in 1862 at Cwmdu, Dolfor where Thomas was a farmer.

I haven’t however been able to trace his birth. Of course this may not have been in Dolfor. And Thomas Morgan is not exactly a rare name in the Newtown area!

Can anyone help at all please?

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Found it, I think. A mix of variable versions of surnames and using a previous married surname as a maiden name

Here's his birth registration

MORGANS, EDWARD  MORRIS
mmn      MORRIS     
Q1  1862 
NEWTOWN  Volume 11B  Page 216


I worked this out from Edward Morgan b Kerry in Newtown on the 1881 census. He's with his mother Jane and stepfather John Hamer

1871 Jane Morgan is widowed with sons Edward, 9 b Kerry and George 12 b Bettws

John Hamer marries Jane Morgan in 1873 - her father's name is John Denley

June 1859 there's a baptism of George Denley Morgan, son of Thomas and Jane.  Thomas is a farmer, of Walk Mill

George is also registered as Morgans


Jane Denley marries Edward Morris in 1844

There's a potential Thomas Morgan - Jane Morris marriage in Q4 1851

What I do find odd is Jane seemingly naming her son after her first husband!


There was also this birth

MORGANS, THOMAS  RICHARD
mmn      DENLEY     
Q1 1857
NEWTOWN  Volume 11B  Page 215

Plus daughters Ann Elizabeth (1852 - Morgans) and Margaret (1854 - Morgan)

[St Gregory]

Many thanks for your efforts. 

I knew quite a lot of what you had there, but there is some new information - though not TRM's birth? George Denley Morgan (born in Bettws which is not Dolfor or Kerry) is new to me, as is Ann Elizabeth Morgans and Walk Mill - wherever that is!*

After some effort I had worked out that Jane was nee Denley, married a Morris, was widowed, married a Morgan, was widowed again, then married a Hamer! For a long time I had assumed her birth name was Morris.

Anyway its midnight and I must look again tomorrow.

*there seems to be one at Mochdre which is certainly in the same vicinity.

[CaroleW]

There is no Thomas Richard Morgan death in 1863.  This is the death reg matching an 1820 birth

MORGAN, THOMAS        43 
GRO Reference: 1863  S Quarter in NEWTOWN  Volume 11B  Page 147

[St Gregory]

There is no Thomas Richard Morgan death in 1863.  This is the death reg matching an 1820 birth

MORGAN, THOMAS        43 
GRO Reference: 1863  S Quarter in NEWTOWN  Volume 11B  Page 147

Yes, that will be him. The grave inscription just has Thomas Morgan.

[CaroleW]

Where did the name Richard come from? 

Is there other documentation to support a middle name? 

Reason I ask is there is an 1851 entry for a Thomas Morgan aged 30 - unmarried - farmers son - & his father is Richard - farmer

[St Gregory]

Where did the name Richard come from? 

Is there other documentation to support a middle name? 

Reason I ask is there is an 1851 entry for a Thomas Morgan aged 30 - unmarried - farmers son - & his father is Richard - farmer

Yes there is. It’s from his son’s marriage certificate (Edward Morris Morgan) which I have saved.

[St Gregory]

I’m no further forward with this yet, in case anybody has any ideas?

[CaroleW]

If you look at the top of the page you will see your post has been read 120 times so if anybody was able to help - they would have.

Looking at your opening post - the only info given is from a gravestone & the name etc of his son.

You presumably have Thomas on the 1851 & possibly 1861 censuses (a lot of the Welsh 1861 is missing) so should have his actual birthplace. 

Have you purchased a copy of his marriage cert to establish his fathers name & occupation?

You say Edward Morris Morgan was b Cwmdu 1862- that was in Glamorgan & the Reg district was Bridgend - see link below.  I cannot see an 1871 or 1881 entry with that birthplace & it seems strange that Edward would be b Glamorgan in 1862 & his father Thomas dies Montgomeryshire the following year?

https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/places/regindex2-2.pdf

Do you have Edwards birth cert confirming his mothers christian name & maiden name?
Have you found Edward on the 1871 or 1881 census - please post full details

An Edward Morris Morgan aged 42 died Newtown 1904 - presumably the Edward you are researching